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There's a podcast that's sure all that rocks hard is gold.

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And they're climbing the stairway to 11.

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When they get to there they know the record stores are all closed.

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But online they can get what they came for.

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Oh,

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and they're streaming the Stairway to 11.

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Hello,

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and welcome to Stairway to 11.

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My name is George.

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This is John.

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I'm TR.

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And I'm Jay,

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bringing up the rare.

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All right, we've got some fun stuff for you today.

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I'm going to hand the microphone over to Jay in a second.

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But before I do,

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I just wanted to let everybody know that as of today,

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We have a completely new and redesigned Stairway to 11 website.

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It's awful pretty.

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Stairwayto11.com.

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You should check it out. If you've been to Stairwayto11.com before,

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you may have noticed how absolutely ugly that was.

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That was basically the default website that came with the podcast hosting that I was too lazy to do anything with.

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And so at some point I said, you know what? I'm going to make us a nice,

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pretty little website.

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there now.

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It's not just pretty, but it's also functional.

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You can listen to the episodes and for every episode.

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You can,

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there's a generated list of albums mentioned in the episode.

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So if you're like, hey, what was that one band?

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You can, you know, you can scroll through this list and see it, it, it, it, it's scraped by AI.

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So it's not perfect, but it does get most of the stuff.

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And it'll list the different bands and albums that we mentioned along with streaming links.

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if they're available where you can listen to the album.

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And there's also a Spotify

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playlist,

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which I'm like, I think back to Mark Franceschi on Metalheads and how he used to build us these Spotify

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playlists for every episode.

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Well,

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now,

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based on that album's mentioned list,

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Spotify automatically generates a playlist.

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So you can just listen to that if you don't want to go through and click through all the individual links for the different bands.

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And,

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you know, there's some other cool stuff in there, too. But, you know, those are the two biggest draws, I think.

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And hopefully people will find that, you know, fun and useful.

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And also,

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there may be bugs in there still. So if you see anything, drop me a line. Let me know what's not working.

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All right?

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It's really nice, George.

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Like, it really,

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it's a good-looking website.

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It is.

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Yeah, and that's not like blowing smoke up, George.

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You know,

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it's... You would have done that anyway. It's so pro-looking.

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You would have anyway,

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so I mean,

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yeah.

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That should make what Jay's saying even more valid,

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you know? So,

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yeah.

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By the way,

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I have not heard the franchise mentioned in a while, so it's good to have the franchise back on the airwaves.

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Exactly,

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yeah. I wonder what he's up to.

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Yeah.

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I haven't seen him in a while. Franchise in a long time.

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Before there was the situation paradox,

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there was the franchise.

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All right. Well, I can tell you,

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I'm going to give a shout out to my friend,

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Steve Barth,

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who listens to us pretty religiously,

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and he was always saying to me,

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you know, it's always so hard because I always try to figure out what you guys were talking about,

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and then I go back and I write down everything that you said so I can listen to it on this thing, and I'm like, guess what? George is working on that.

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George is on top of that.

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Now it's done. It has come to pass.

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He's going to be very happy.

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The hard work has been done for you.

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That's right.

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Thanks to AI.

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And I'm literally in the process of pushing out one for metalheads as we speak.

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It's like running in the background trying to get the links all updated from the old location to the new location.

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But we'll pimp that on that podcast.

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Nice.

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Very nice. Thank you very much,

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George.

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You're welcome.

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All right, now I'm going to turn things over to Jay.

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Jay, what are we up to tonight?

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We are talking about Jimi Hendrix,

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which is kind of one of those elephants in the room.

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Well,

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he's just so big that you're almost like, how do you do this,

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first off?

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So we're just going to jump in and be idiots and try to accomplish talking about a pretty large career that lasted all of four years.

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Less than four years.

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Less than four years.

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Yeah.

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They're into the Beatles soon.

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Everybody loves to see the Beatles.

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But so we're going to just start from square one here because we're going to,

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again,

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we're going to talk about

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about Jimi Hendrix today.

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Definitely some Jimi Hendrix fans on this podcast.

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I'm under the assumption that a lot of people may write him off because he's very firmly wrongfully put in this kind of like 1960s hippie box, I think, for a lot of people.

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He could be inaccessible to certain people.

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I mean, we're older than you guys might think, so there are a whole generation of people.

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So we're going to go back and just kind of give a very brief history just of him as a man.

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And I'm relying on the Google machine.

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Here, we're just going to read the first couple paragraphs.

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Off of Wikipedia.

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So here we go.

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First of all, he was born in 1942.

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I only mention that because he'd be 80.

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God knows what.

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My mom is born in 41 and she's 85.

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So,

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you know, there you go, right?

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Yeah,

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I like that you took the easier math problem here. I'll just wrap this for my mom's birthday.

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That's what I did too.

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More importantly,

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he began playing, and this is now, this is the Wikipedia entry,

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Hendrix began playing guitar at age 15 in 1961.

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He enlisted in the U.S.

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Army.

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He was discharged the following year. A lot of people might be surprised to hear that he was in the Army. He actually played guitar in the Army, and I think like the PX band or something. Didn't he like jump out of planes and stuff too?

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He jumped out of airplanes,

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yeah.

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And I think successfully did all those things, but ultimately let go because they were like, this guy's not interested in the Army.

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It's better for us if we send

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And I think there's a famous picture of him in a military uniformed plane.

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Am I right about that, John? I've seen something of that nature, yes. Okay.

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But anyway,

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he stepped out of that, and he played in the Chitlin circuit,

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which sounds racist these days, but it's not intended to be so. And it was just really the sort of black nightclubs throughout the South that people would play.

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and probably some of the white ones, I don't know.

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But he,

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along the line, played famously with the Isley brothers.

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He played with Little Richard.

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And then he played with Curtis Knight. And the Squires ultimately formed some of his own kind of like stuff.

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Then he moved to New York City and was kind of around Greenwich Village for a while.

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But most importantly and relevant to all of us, the dude from the Animals,

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Chaz Chandler,

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I think he left

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animals to do this, to become a manager.

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And Keith Richards saw Jamie Plain,

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kind of tried to help him get started,

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hooked him up with this manager.

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And they were like,

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the hell with us, we're moving to London.

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And that's where it all started.

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That always blew my mind. I was like, what? He had to leave the country to get big?

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Well,

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you know, we'll talk about this, but go listen to Monterey.

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I mean, Monterey broke him in the United States.

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Like he played live at Monterey and everybody was like,

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what the hell?

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I don't know if that's a racial thing, by the way, that it was easier for him to break through in England.

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That'd be an interesting conversation. I hadn't thought about it like that, yeah.

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Now,

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that's the brief history of Jimi Hendrix, but let's go with the Hendrix version of his own history.

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And this,

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well, and it's this. The night he was born,

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he swears the moon turned to fire red.

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His poor mother cried out,

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Oh Lord, the gypsy was right.

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And then he seen her drop down dead.

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Mountain lions found him there and set him on an eagle's wing.

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They took him past the outskirts of infinity.

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And when he brought him back,

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they gave him Venus, which is right.

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Now, I don't know about you guys, but I feel like that explains a lot.

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Definitely a voodoo child.

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Assuming it's all true.

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Well, that is, of course, the lyrics from voodoo child.

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And you probably know voodoo child,

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slight return.

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Voodoo child is the blues jam on that same record.

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But enough about all that, what we're going to talk about is that, you know, Jimmy was this big, huge,

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well-rounded performer,

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which, by the way, there are a lot of great stories about when he moved to England and like all the,

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you know,

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they all heard about him real quick. And I'm talking about Clapton, Page,

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Beck, blah, blah, blah. And they all,

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and they all, a lot of them were like, oh man, we're screwed.

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They crapped their pants.

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Yeah.

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This guy's on hold,

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including this one very great interview I saw with Jeff Beck where they were asking him about, about Hendrix and he, and they were like, oh, yeah, yeah.

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They were all there.

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They were all like, we gotta go.

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You know, everybody's talking about him. And he was walking out and one of the other guys was walking. And let's just say it was Clapton, but I don't know who it was.

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He said, don't worry, he's not that good.

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And then he laughed after he said this, like in the interview,

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because he literally like was setting whoever it up,

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whoever it was up, like you go in and see our future,

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buddy.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So there's a lot of angles that we're going to talk about him here.

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And,

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and one of the things,

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this is the big bite.

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I mean, this is hard. We're going to talk about him.

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and we're going to talk about the biggest stuff at first.

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But it's just that how well-rounded he was as a entity in the musical world. So we're going to talk about him as a writer,

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as a producer,

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as a performer,

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and as a player.

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And we're all going to kind of make some suggestions of things you can check out to understand how thoroughly he was active in his own career and how he was a well-rounded artist that cared about how things were produced,

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put on a hell of a live show,

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wrote really well,

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and on the line.

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So I think we'll just start here first with unless anybody has any other opening comments incidentally.

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I love Jimmy Hendrix.

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So I might be the least familiar with Hendrix out of this group.

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I'm not sure but I have to admit like I'm glad we did this because this was I'm sad to admit I had never listened to any of his albums in their entirety.

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That blows my mind.

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I don't think you're alone and I don't think don't feel silly about that he I don't know why he gets into this weird little corner but people think he's just for guitar players or people he's just people who are like potheads or whatever you know you don't know unless you and then he's not like constantly on the radio or anything you hear some of the hits but right I was definitely familiar with the hits I kind of knew a little bit about his history I certainly knew about his disciples but I never really listened to it to be honest

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I mean, I was familiar with a few songs,

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but not like I never sat down and listened to a whole album.

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And so for this,

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I decided,

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yeah, I need to do this.

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And so I listened to each of the four main albums that were released during his lifetime.

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And I think Ben a gypsy is not to be a dick, but I think that came out after he died. Didn't it, John?

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No,

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just before, I think. Was it right before he died? I think it was right before.

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And that's a live show,

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too.

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The Actual Studio Release.

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Everything that came out after Electric Ladyland was post-death,

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unfortunately.

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Yeah.

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So anyhow,

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like,

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you know, I'm... During this whole thing, like, I literally am coming at this very completely fresh and new,

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and I mean, again, there's some familiarity there,

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obviously, but like,

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not to the level of, oh, I'm so familiar with each of these albums,

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and I,

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you know,

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completely comb through and know every song.

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No,

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that's not me.

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But I'm glad I did because I learned a lot.

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And I also kind of picked up on a few things that I heard on these albums that got kind of parroted back from various people that were clearly into him.

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So it's interesting.

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You hear this stuff and you're like, oh, I see where that came from.

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Oh,

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I see where that came from.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Yeah.

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You know,

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and which, by the way, I mean, maybe it's something I should have started with, which is that I, my own personal view is that he was a monumental talent.

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Like, I mean, a genius of sorts. And, and also,

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but other utterly approachable and listenable to, you know, I mean, he's not obscure or weird or so,

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or so with all due respect, Proggy that,

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you know, he puts off whole groups of people. He had things like,

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you know, hits like fire and purple haze, you know,

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cross town traffic.

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Yeah.

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Crossed Out Traffic.

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The stuff you know. You know what I mean? I don't mean you PR at TR. I mean people,

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you know,

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like... Excuse me while I kiss this guy.

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Indeed.

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Which is kind of why we're doing this deep dive because if you don't know him, there's a lot of neat things that he did that are worth looking into.

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So that's it that I thought we would first focus on him as a writer.

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Right. Before we start, I didn't get a chance to say anything here.

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I do want to say something.

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No, you're good.

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I find it interesting that the non-guitarists of this group has been a fan of Jimi Hendrix for over 45 years,

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which is, I find, really funny that I don't play guitar.

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And I immediately gravitated to him.

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Just a quick note,

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I got the album Smash Hits.

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I was like, oh my God, this is amazing.

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And it really is a bunch of smash hits from him,

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plus a couple of blues songs thrown in there.

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But surprisingly,

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they're almost all from the first album,

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which I always found ironic later on.

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That was so weird back then, dude.

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Right.

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There's nothing from his second album,

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and there's only two songs from Electric Ladyland and one's a cover.

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And I always thought that was funny. And then I realized that's because they all, the songs that were included that were not from the first album,

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all sound like the first album,

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which I found really funny.

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But I did want to bring that up.

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I'm glad you did, because I think I sort of, I hope I said this, I think I did, which was, I think a lot of people don't approach him for multiple reasons. And one is, I think they think he's a guitar guy.

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I'm not one of those guitar nerds, you know.

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Yeah, but I am.

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And so it's like,

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you know. Also weird then, yeah.

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Exactly.

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So,

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you know. Weird as John being the one, yeah.

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I think though,

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and I tried to figure this out because it's like,

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by all rights,

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I ought to be into this guy.

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Like I ought to really be into this and have all the stuff and really be totally all about it.

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And,

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but yet like I'm not.

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And even after listening to these albums,

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I'm still not like I,

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I was still impressed by what I heard,

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but at the same time,

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like I think some of the things you hinted at Jay,

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which is like,

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He's kind of mired down in the psychedelic thing that was going on in the late 60s.

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And I feel like that whole vibe from the... I actually ended up liking Electric Ladyland the most of the three albums that I listened to.

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Actually, I listened to four, but as you guys said,

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Band of Gypsies was a live thing.

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But in terms of studio albums,

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I thought Electric Ladyland was kind of like...

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It just seemed like the most approachable and the most diverse in terms of the styles and the various things that I was hearing on there. It's so funny to hear you say it's the most approachable and it's by far his most experimental album.

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But he's not wrong in ways.

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The psychedelic stuff really is only the first album because he was already shedding it by the second album.

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It really disappears fast.

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Well, I'd call the mind things like,

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if six was nine, where he, if all the hippies cut off all their hair, I don't care.

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He really was trying to set himself out as this other thing and just sort of be like, you think I'm on your wavelength when I'm not.

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But TR, you bring up an interesting point,

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and I don't want to delay us from getting into it,

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but that album I mentioned, Smash Hits, only focused on the first album for the most part, which was all, had more of his psychedelic stuff.

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And I think that's what people think of him,

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which Jay, I think, was alluding to before,

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people just get it in their head that he's just all psychedelics and feedback and just being weird all the time with some hits yeah and it couldn't be any further from the truth that was how he started yep but it disappears fast i mean i don't know if people know this those first three albums which are his main three albums all were released in under two years that's it yeah it's insane that first two were in 67 and it's like

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I was shocked because I was like wait a minute.

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Yes.

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This was in 67 and this was in 67.

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Now the first sound was recorded for the most part in 66 and the first single was released in 66 but that was in December.

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So this literally happened in less than two years.

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Almost all the music you hear on the radio was in the span of two years.

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Yeah.

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So you actually brought me up perfectly to this because I really like the comment.

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which is that you could think that he's just this guy was constantly on the wah-wah pedal and it was all weird it's nothing like that that's really not who he is so if that's what's keeping you out of the Jimmy camp dive into his records because and and and so I think let's get on to our first little part of his existence and being which I have called writer and I mean and I'm talking about his compositions if you will I mean we may talk about him as a lyricist and you could do that now if you want to but I just wanted to give a couple of good examples of him as

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as a very quality songwriter that wasn't just this fuzz box thing that john mentioned and so the examples i'm going to offer up are um i'll i'll mention two and then there's a million others you should check out but one is one of my favorite songs which is called the burning of the midnight lamp yeah it's like it's got this like almost elvis liked a big song it's like an epic song and and it's so it so does not fit in with what you think of him as being you know i want to be your lover man or the

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the quick blues shuffle stuff he did or the psychedelics whatever you want to call it

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it's this big massive um epic sounding song it's not about that epic length and it's also and it's from

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this point of view of like a person who's lived in the desert alone and quite literally this is how he

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said it was and it's just the greatest song and it was also he wrote about things he believed in he was he's talking about how i'm out here and i'm always burning the lamp i'm never stopping

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even though I'm all alone blah blah.

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It's just a great beautiful song. I really suggest that people check it out.

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And then I'm going to also suggest the actual the title track for Electric Ladyland. And that because it's very much almost like a Marvin Gaye song.

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Like you could easily forget in what you know about Jimi Hendrix that he was a black dude. You know what I mean? Like he had a kind of soul aspect to his

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Motown slash soul aspect to his existence and being and he did some of it on every single record and Electric Ladyland was really exciting because he started to get into that like I said this more Marvin Gaye thing like he hadn't I there wasn't anything that kind of smooth in it you know what I mean and um and I can think of eight million other examples but I want to kind of open the conversation here to the other guys to share any examples they might have of proof that he's not just the the human fuzz box um you know I also felt manic to

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because I think it's just such a great riff and such a great song and he says music sweet music I wish I could caress that's what Johnny or Jimmy was all about he wanted he loved music so much you know so yeah I'll go with I came up with a timeline real quick and you guys can comment on if you want but to prove he wasn't just that you know singular psychedelic kind of upbeat acid rock I guess they were calling it at the time you know whatever to me it's just still rock but I just kind of did a little time on it

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on songs and how he changed.

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And one of the songs I'm including,

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T.R., it sounds like you didn't listen to this, but he does have some compilation stuff that came out post his death.

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And it's come out in numerous forms and different renditions.

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We'll probably talk about this album quite a bit at some point,

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I'm thinking.

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It's called First Rays of the New Rising Sun, which is probably the best compilation of all his post-Electric Ladyland Band of Gypsies songs.

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Which were stuff he was playing already anyway.

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But anyway, so my all the time,

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if you think about it,

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he went from playing Purple Haze,

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which is probably his most recognizable radio friendly song,

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I would say.

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On the same album, he does a song called The Wind Cries Mary,

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which is absolutely gorgeous.

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But he goes from this loud, psychedelic hard rock to this kind of quiet,

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delicate,

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kind of bluesy song.

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The next album,

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which I did not know until today,

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that this song,

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and you'll hear me mention this song a lot, because this is one of my favorite songs by him, but this song was actually sort of written on piano by,

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what's the engineer's name? Is it Eddie Kramer? Eddie Kramer.

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Yeah.

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He liked to just do stuff on his own in the studio,

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and he was doing a little jazz bit, and Jimmy came in and heard it. He goes, what is that? That's amazing.

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I want you to play it on my record.

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He goes, no, I'm not going to do that, which you

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I'll teach it to you though.

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Yeah.

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And he ended up writing the intro to this song,

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which is Spanish Castle Magic.

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So you now it's more rock based.

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It's not psychedelic as much anymore.

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Now it's in your face. It's fast.

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But it's also got a kind of a little bit of a groove to it now.

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You know, in the chorus of that song, and I'm just kind of glad you brought it up. It's one of my favorite songs by him.

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There's this I can't.

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Unfortunately,

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I can't play a clip of it.

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But what

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It's just a little bit

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which is iconic.

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It's probably been covered by a Brazilian guitarist.

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But again,

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another kind of delicate soft.

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He was a master at writing ballads.

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You think of him playing Purple Haze and Foxy Lady in Crosstown Traffic.

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He wrote a lot of ballads.

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Beautiful ballads.

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Beautiful ballads.

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And that's saying a lot because if you know anything about him in the studio, he kept wanting to keep turning it up.

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And I said, turn it down.

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You're doing a ballad.

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Turn it down.

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Two more.

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It goes into Voodoo Child's Slight Return,

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which is probably his best song he ever wrote.

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I think.

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It certainly is.

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It's one of the greatest rock songs of all time as far as I'm concerned. It is.

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It's got one of the greatest intros ever,

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and it's his big ball song. It really, it just is.

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And then the last one I'll mention is,

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Jay mentioned this a little bit, he started getting kind of into this 70s kind of funk vibe,

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Easy Rider,

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where he starts playing with other musicians now,

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like Billy Cox on bass,

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and

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Oh God, I can't believe I'm dropping the name here for Bandit Gypsies.

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But yeah, Buddy Miles.

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Thank you. Oh my goodness.

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How could I forget Buddy Miles?

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You know, he starts playing with guys like this,

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and now he's got this different kind of funk and rhythm going on,

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and he's more of a blues guy now.

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He was always a blues guy, but a different type of blues player.

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Just those,

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that's the span right there.

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Well,

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I would say with that, though, it's about two and a half years of music.

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But in that one, in that song in particular,

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I'm an easy rider and I also would include in from the storm yeah it's such a good song there they're almost like this weird blueprint for 70s rock to me 70s hard rock and and Jimmy is playing in a much more controlled way they're like you could tell yourself that his improvisation was kind of his only thing and it wasn't if you put him in a weird box he was putting himself in a weird box at this time he would go okay well I'll just do a little fill here and there were just like things you would hear on other people's albums five years later

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But he was really starting to turn towards that.

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Probably would have kept doing 8 million other things.

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But I love that.

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I think George maybe will share, if you don't mind, the Spotify list that I put together.

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We've mentioned the song now, so it'll be there. But do check out Easy Rider.

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I agree.

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And it's a great, that and From the Storm are both such well-written 70s hard rock songs.

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Right.

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And if you listen to that album, First Raise, the new rising sun, which is probably,

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I think it's probably the best single disc compilation.

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I know there's all these box sets. I got that.

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But you listen,

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there's songs like Freedom,

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Isabella,

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Dolly Dagger.

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They all have this same kind of funk,

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rock,

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groove vibe to them.

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And they just sound, the bass end is different on this. It just,

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it sounds like there's an in-the-pocket drummer,

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which Mitch Mitchell was,

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he's the

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reason why some of those songs sound as amazing as they do.

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He gave him something completely different that some people in the same era did not have on drums.

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It just worked well.

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I've not heard anybody ever say this before,

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but it's a theory I have.

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But I feel like, and Jimmy was always really impressed with and happy to kind of cover the songs of his contemporaries.

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I feel like, John, there was a kind of

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Stone influence there.

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It could be.

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Almost in the big family way,

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too, where he wanted so many musicians to work with him and stuff. And I don't know that he was going to launch a career like that. I just think that was the vibe he was kind of going for in the studio during those sessions.

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Well, during the Electric Lady on sessions,

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he basically asked a bunch of people just to sit in. I mean,

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basically the traffic,

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the band traffic sat in with him and he was supposedly enamored with Steve Winwood and was like, man, I got to get this guy in my band.

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He was afraid to ask him though.

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He thought he was just too good for us.

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Steve Winwood loved playing with him. They kind of played off each other so well.

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That's kind of scary to think.

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I love Traffic too.

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It could have been kind of cool. Dave Mason sings on a song on the album.

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It would have been great.

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Just a quick bookmark here for people who don't know his career.

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You can quickly find this out on your own.

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The first record is Axis Boldest Love. Third record is Electric Ladyland.

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I mention that because I want to bring you up to what John has mentioned several times now,

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which is New Race of the... God, I forget it every time I leave it. First Race of the New Sun.

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Yes.

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And this was stuff that Jimmy was working on right before he died,

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probably over a period of time.

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It is the presumptive follow-up record to Electric Ladyland, but it's also definitely

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to call it a compilation because it doesn't have his stamp on and he didn't go like I want a sequence like this I wanted this and he was probably writing other stuff but in a perfect world it's the follow-up to Electric Ladyland right and I think it was originally released as the cry of love which is a great album title yeah and I think that's what he was leaning towards if I'm not mistaken I could be wrong about that I think he called that group of he he was such a weird kind of guy with words and I think he called it this

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The New Race of the Rising Sun and all that. I don't think it was.

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And so I think they just took that and thought he was going to call a record that. But it was this, Jimmy talked in weird ways, and one of the ways he talked was like that was the phase they were in.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, I just wanted to do that timeline,

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just how he dramatically changed on three albums.

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And it covered some really important good stuff. And again, all good examples of the writing thing we're talking about here. But here, I would like to make sure that TR and or George have a chance to share their thoughts.

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and or titles.

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TR, you want to go?

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Well,

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you know,

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I guess I didn't really.

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I don't think I really got the chance to fully absorb all of this because honestly,

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this was like the first time I'm hearing all of these albums in their entirety.

00:30:08.660 --> 00:30:08.900
Obviously,

00:30:09.420 --> 00:30:15.360
I've heard a lot of these hits and was familiar with the songs that most people are aware of,

00:30:15.580 --> 00:30:25.460
but definitely saw a progression from the first album to what came much later,

00:30:26.840 --> 00:30:27.740
or not much later,

00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:30.500
because really we're only talking about a couple of years here.

00:30:31.320 --> 00:30:35.500
But the bottom line is, you know, I definitely saw a progression,

00:30:37.340 --> 00:30:38.480
and I really kind of,

00:30:38.560 --> 00:31:08.540
I wish that there was more and I'm sure I'm not alone because it's like once he kind of shed that psychedelic stuff it was like okay now I'm starting to get interested now I'm starting to feel like this stuff's kind of cool whereas the psychedelic stuff I thought it was cool I enjoyed it but like it was it was kind of it just seemed mired in that whole vibe of like which just seemed like a

00:31:08.540 --> 00:31:13.180
you know a passing thing which which it was right like it's kind of like that early pink

00:31:13.420 --> 00:31:21.340
floyd stuff where it's like it's hard to listen to it because it's just like it's just a snapshot of 1967 1968

00:31:22.420 --> 00:31:31.340
and so um anyway i i do kind of wish that there had been more because i felt like he was starting he was

00:31:31.460 --> 00:31:37.720
really starting to grow and grow out of that whole psychedelic piece and i was starting to get more

00:31:37.740 --> 00:31:40.500
interested in the stuff that came after that.

00:31:41.540 --> 00:31:42.400
So I'm,

00:31:42.620 --> 00:31:42.840
you know,

00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:49.380
that's just kind of my impressions as kind of a new Hendrix person here. Like I'm,

00:31:49.760 --> 00:31:52.940
you know, just hearing a lot of this, some of this stuff for the first time. So.

00:31:55.140 --> 00:31:55.700
Yeah.

00:31:56.020 --> 00:31:59.840
I got into Hendrix in the somewhere in the eighties.

00:32:01.840 --> 00:32:07.700
I have an uncle who bought me the essential Jimmy

00:32:07.780 --> 00:32:10.840
Hendrix 2 vinyl set.

00:32:12.740 --> 00:32:19.220
He was into all that old hippie music, I guess. The only stuff you ever got me, he got me that,

00:32:19.630 --> 00:32:22.880
and he got me Grateful Dead's What a Long Strange Trip It's Been.

00:32:24.850 --> 00:32:26.100
And well, I liked the Hendrix.

00:32:29.540 --> 00:32:37.340
And yeah, I was just like, I haven't seen that physical double LP in forever.

00:32:37.360 --> 00:32:41.420
I'm sure it's downstairs somewhere but I had to look it up I was like what was that called again

00:32:41.680 --> 00:33:07.340
because I hadn't thought about it in years and I has this central Jimi Hendrix and so that was my intro to Jimi and after I started playing guitar I was like well I need to know more about this and and in I wouldn't probably around somewhere around 90 or so 90 91 I read the book kiss the sky and that just

00:33:07.800 --> 00:33:10.180
my love of all things Hendrix.

00:33:13.360 --> 00:33:15.200
I have to say I'm a little,

00:33:15.560 --> 00:33:24.940
I don't know, I was just kind of dumb because I just kind of, for the most of my life, I've really just sort of stuck to the three albums.

00:33:25.700 --> 00:33:28.560
You know, I mean, I've got the blues album, I've got the Woodstock album,

00:33:29.460 --> 00:33:29.780
you know,

00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:34.920
and Band of Gypsies and stuff, but I really kind of limited myself to the three albums.

00:33:34.980 --> 00:33:45.700
And Are You Experienced is probably the one I've spent the most time with because it's 11 completely solid songs.

00:33:47.840 --> 00:33:50.000
Also the raw rock guitar album.

00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:50.380
Yeah.

00:33:50.620 --> 00:33:52.880
And it's got the stuff everybody knows.

00:33:53.060 --> 00:33:54.000
Purple Haze, Hey Joe,

00:33:56.440 --> 00:33:57.040
Foxy Lady.

00:33:57.860 --> 00:34:02.120
But it's also got a couple of my favorite songs,

00:34:02.340 --> 00:34:04.900
one of which John mentioned, which is The Wind Cry.

00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:05.340
is Mary.

00:34:06.540 --> 00:34:08.700
And as someone who's tried to play that,

00:34:09.030 --> 00:34:18.520
I can tell you that Jimi Hendrix also had one of the most talented thumbs in the guitar world because his hands were so freaking huge.

00:34:18.990 --> 00:34:23.419
And he's just like, I'm just going to wrap that thumb around on that low E string while I'm playing down here.

00:34:23.780 --> 00:34:24.159
I'm like,

00:34:24.540 --> 00:34:26.940
my little teeny hands, I can't do it,

00:34:27.100 --> 00:34:27.360
Jimi.

00:34:28.220 --> 00:34:34.659
You know, and so that was very frustrating to me trying to play that. But another one from that album that I absolutely love.

00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:36.520
Another ballad. May this be love.

00:34:38.120 --> 00:34:38.600
Waterfalls.

00:34:39.240 --> 00:34:39.399
I mean,

00:34:39.560 --> 00:34:40.919
come on now. I can't sing it, but you know.

00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:50.500
Just amazing stuff. And then Third Stone from the Sun, which for years I tried telling people,

00:34:50.740 --> 00:34:51.860
you know,

00:34:52.379 --> 00:34:55.120
this is Brian Adams cuts like a knife.

00:34:56.260 --> 00:34:57.900
He totally ripped this off.

00:34:58.500 --> 00:35:01.320
And everybody for years was like, you're an idiot.

00:35:02.140 --> 00:35:04.280
And while I was sitting here waiting, I googled that.

00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:07.460
And Google said, you have an incredible ear for musical DNA.

00:35:09.080 --> 00:35:11.500
It is literally the same riff.

00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:13.400
It says,

00:35:13.780 --> 00:35:15.060
it's just on different strings.

00:35:15.540 --> 00:35:20.640
But it goes from the ninth fret to the 11th fret, the seventh fret to the fourth fret.

00:35:21.640 --> 00:35:25.500
And it's sliding with an open drone.

00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:31.420
Cuts like a knife.

00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:35.000
You know,

00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:36.240
I can,

00:35:36.420 --> 00:35:36.660
um,

00:35:37.080 --> 00:35:37.440
this,

00:35:37.600 --> 00:35:40.480
this would be a whole episode in and of itself and we won't do this,

00:35:41.040 --> 00:35:45.520
but when I really get into a Hendrick place and I'm just listening to him for like a few days,

00:35:45.680 --> 00:35:46.680
I,

00:35:46.860 --> 00:35:50.760
I can find so many examples of things that I'm like,

00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:52.500
Oh, that's where that guy got that.

00:35:52.900 --> 00:35:53.300
Yeah.

00:35:53.520 --> 00:35:54.000
Like really?

00:35:54.620 --> 00:35:54.680
Yeah.

00:35:55.260 --> 00:35:56.120
Yeah. I don't know anything.

00:35:56.400 --> 00:36:01.320
And I heard all that. Yeah. Just, just, just hearing this stuff for the first time. I was like, Oh my God.

00:36:01.680 --> 00:36:01.760
Oh,

00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:03.380
I see where that came from.

00:36:03.660 --> 00:36:03.780
Oh,

00:36:04.160 --> 00:36:04.280
there's a lot of things.

00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:05.140
where that was.

00:36:05.420 --> 00:36:05.500
Yeah.

00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:07.600
He did so many things first.

00:36:08.020 --> 00:36:08.540
Yes. Yeah.

00:36:09.020 --> 00:36:13.340
Anyway, I interrupted Joy. That's all right. And then moving on to Bold is Love,

00:36:13.740 --> 00:36:18.040
obviously mentioned Spanish Castle Magic.

00:36:19.900 --> 00:36:20.800
Little Wing,

00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:21.900
also,

00:36:22.200 --> 00:36:26.560
of course, a massive song, but another one of my favorites from the guitar standpoint,

00:36:26.860 --> 00:36:27.960
because it's just like, oh,

00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:29.620
so pretty.

00:36:30.500 --> 00:36:31.000
And I also,

00:36:31.420 --> 00:36:34.280
I've always for years said that Pearl Jam's Yellow

00:36:34.300 --> 00:36:37.760
Ledbetter was kind of an homage to that.

00:36:38.200 --> 00:36:40.020
Sure, it doesn't sound like it. Yeah.

00:36:40.740 --> 00:36:42.060
Castles Made of Sand,

00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:44.700
another good one on there. Love that stuff.

00:36:46.900 --> 00:36:49.880
Electric Ladyland was never one of my,

00:36:50.060 --> 00:36:52.820
it would always have been third of three for me.

00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:54.560
And it's,

00:36:54.780 --> 00:37:01.640
you know, I agree with TR when he says it felt more psychedelic and you guys are like, nah,

00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:02.660
man, he's other psychedelic.

00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:03.400
To me,

00:37:03.560 --> 00:37:04.260
just because

00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:08.180
because there's a lot of little things where he's just like, hey man,

00:37:08.420 --> 00:37:10.060
you know,

00:37:12.260 --> 00:37:16.820
stuff like the beginnings and endings of songs and just like weird,

00:37:17.040 --> 00:37:22.200
not trippy psychedelic guitar parts, but like synthesizer things that were just going on.

00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:26.360
It was not as focused of an album for me.

00:37:26.540 --> 00:37:26.640
However,

00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:29.940
Cross Down Traffic, amazing.

00:37:30.180 --> 00:37:33.080
Obviously the voodoo childs of both varieties.

00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:36.360
Burning of the Midnight Lamp.

00:37:36.740 --> 00:37:38.500
Gotta come back to that. It's a great tune.

00:37:38.740 --> 00:37:39.860
Love that so much.

00:37:40.040 --> 00:37:45.260
He sets out the blueprint for that record in the first song when he says, I want to show you different emotions and all those things.

00:37:45.790 --> 00:37:51.880
And that's really what he's... Well, it's cool. We have our basses covers because I know Axis is John's favorite.

00:37:52.080 --> 00:37:53.520
Electrical Alien is my favorite.

00:37:53.980 --> 00:37:55.480
And I'm the experienced one.

00:37:55.780 --> 00:38:03.700
And then we got you with How You Experienced. But that also speaks to... It's nice to have a different favorite record across the board.

00:38:03.860 --> 00:38:04.120
Yeah.

00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:07.980
And it speaks to the different nature of the things he did.

00:38:08.500 --> 00:38:16.280
I don't want to allude to possibly one of your other topics too soon, but all along the Watchtower is also on Electric Ladyland.

00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:17.740
And I'm sorry,

00:38:17.980 --> 00:38:18.140
Bob,

00:38:18.680 --> 00:38:19.600
but this one's better.

00:38:22.200 --> 00:38:26.300
It's something I wanted to bring up. I think one of his strongest suits,

00:38:26.660 --> 00:38:27.620
and let's be honest,

00:38:27.780 --> 00:38:28.940
technically,

00:38:29.180 --> 00:38:31.940
he's not better than a lot of guys alive today.

00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:33.900
That's irrelevant.

00:38:34.060 --> 00:38:39.500
because he still was he was kind of like Babe Ruth at that time. They're standing on his shoulders.

00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:40.520
Right.

00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:50.020
Well yeah or they've like somebody like C. Ray Vaughan almost was channeling him more than standing on. I mean he was like saying I'm going to continue this.

00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:59.880
I mean I still think C. Ray Vaughan's version of Voodoo Child is better but that's you can debate it either way but I don't know to people who say it's a bad version.

00:39:00.160 --> 00:39:01.860
I've never heard anyone ever say about that version.

00:39:03.180 --> 00:39:04.000
It's always like

00:39:04.020 --> 00:39:04.300
Wow,

00:39:04.680 --> 00:39:06.280
that's the only guy who's ever played it right,

00:39:07.110 --> 00:39:08.140
is what I hear people say.

00:39:08.820 --> 00:39:12.500
But I think he was a really good arranger of music.

00:39:12.830 --> 00:39:16.960
I mean, his covers are better than the originals by,

00:39:17.470 --> 00:39:17.580
like,

00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:18.740
light years.

00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:20.580
Hey Joe is awesome.

00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:32.080
So this is a good time to drop this little bomb, and it's not really a bomb, but Bob Dylan, when asked what the best cover of a song of his he had ever heard was, it was All Along the Watchtower.

00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:32.540
Yeah.

00:39:32.700 --> 00:39:32.860
Yeah.

00:39:34.020 --> 00:39:36.340
He heard it. He said, I might have left some stuff out there.

00:39:37.540 --> 00:39:39.340
Like he took it to a place that probably should have gone.

00:39:39.680 --> 00:39:40.540
Well, what's funny is,

00:39:40.820 --> 00:39:41.580
I don't, Jake,

00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:43.620
you can confirm this. I don't know, Tara,

00:39:43.780 --> 00:39:49.160
I'm assuming you don't know this. And George, maybe you do or don't. But I believe Hendrix's version came out first,

00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:52.960
even though Dylan wrote it in terms of the timing.

00:39:53.240 --> 00:39:54.180
That sounds familiar.

00:39:54.500 --> 00:39:54.660
Yeah.

00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:59.840
Because he had heard it in the studio and was like, I got to play this.

00:39:59.920 --> 00:40:01.660
He did that with other things too. He

00:40:02.640 --> 00:40:03.800
the day Sgt.

00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:04.580
Pepper came out

00:40:04.640 --> 00:40:06.860
he learned that and played it that night.

00:40:09.540 --> 00:40:10.320
Let's see.

00:40:10.820 --> 00:40:12.300
But his covers are actually

00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:14.400
really damn good.

00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:17.220
Last thing I wanted to say.

00:40:17.300 --> 00:40:18.380
Bob came out in 60

00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:20.800
Bob came out first but it was December

00:40:21.020 --> 00:40:21.220
27,

00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:21.920
67

00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:24.500
and then Jimmy released his

00:40:24.700 --> 00:40:25.560
single

00:40:27.819 --> 00:40:28.900
September 68.

00:40:28.980 --> 00:40:31.160
See, I thought that it was 68 for Dylan,

00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:31.660
but okay.

00:40:32.060 --> 00:40:33.920
He may have performed it before it came out.

00:40:34.220 --> 00:40:35.280
Maybe performed, yeah.

00:40:35.500 --> 00:40:36.680
I thought that it's first.

00:40:37.260 --> 00:40:39.380
That could be.

00:40:39.560 --> 00:40:43.160
The first actual vinyl release I thought was in 68, but that makes sense then,

00:40:43.340 --> 00:40:43.860
obviously.

00:40:45.260 --> 00:40:45.740
Okay.

00:40:46.060 --> 00:40:56.320
So the only other thing I wanted to say regarding the albums is that listening to first rays of the new Rising Sun, I left that out earlier,

00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:57.340
New Rising Sun,

00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:00.040
First of all,

00:41:00.620 --> 00:41:00.880
you know,

00:41:01.060 --> 00:41:01.180
okay,

00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:09.900
it's not necessarily what Jimmy wanted it to be or arranged in what order he may have wanted or including all the tracks, whatever.

00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:13.420
But it being what it is,

00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:24.880
I felt like it was more focused and than Electric Ladyland.

00:41:25.540 --> 00:41:26.140
Like it was. Oh,

00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:27.500
no, it's definitely more focused.

00:41:27.680 --> 00:41:27.960
Yeah.

00:41:28.060 --> 00:41:29.340
And it was like, okay,

00:41:29.540 --> 00:41:33.880
he's like going somewhere tighter and different now.

00:41:34.100 --> 00:41:35.860
And I mean,

00:41:36.020 --> 00:41:36.480
it's just some,

00:41:37.300 --> 00:41:37.360
yeah,

00:41:37.580 --> 00:41:39.160
it's just an amazing album.

00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:41.740
Tighter is the better word because,

00:41:42.420 --> 00:41:48.060
and I'm not taking issue with your phrasing here, only that I don't find Electric Leaning line unfocused.

00:41:48.260 --> 00:41:48.580
It was,

00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:55.360
he purposely was sprawling out in the ways he was sprawling out. So it wasn't just like, you know, it was, it was just more relaxed is what I would say.

00:41:56.020 --> 00:41:57.840
And for proof of that, go listen.

00:41:58.100 --> 00:42:04.700
to the demo version of 1983.

00:42:06.240 --> 00:42:07.480
I would be.

00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:09.640
It's all there.

00:42:09.900 --> 00:42:23.540
The whole thing. And that song sprawls out and does all kinds of weird stuff. But when it's just him and his guitar, you're like, oh, he had this all planned. He's even making the sounds of the sort of like, the special effects sounds. He's going, at one point, and that's what happens on the record.

00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:28.000
It's also worth listening to because you also hear him turning the pages of his notes.

00:42:28.060 --> 00:42:32.960
book clearing his throat and the horn honking outside his window i mean it's really

00:42:33.200 --> 00:42:37.060
intimate but well jay i think this might be a perfect time to move into your your second

00:42:37.680 --> 00:42:43.280
area which is him as a producer because the reason why electric ladyland sounds like it does to

00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:51.280
people is it's really two different producing camps on the album you know i mean he kind of started

00:42:51.520 --> 00:42:57.460
pulling away from chaz chander a little bit to do his own thing to produce and they were sort of

00:42:57.460 --> 00:42:58.900
Butting heads a little bit in the studio.

00:42:59.640 --> 00:42:59.740
Yeah.

00:42:59.920 --> 00:43:00.940
Because he wanted to explore.

00:43:01.120 --> 00:43:08.780
So I know that your next area you wanted to talk about was him, you know, as a producer or producing or going down that route.

00:43:09.060 --> 00:43:09.840
I mean it almost,

00:43:10.080 --> 00:43:11.300
and we will,

00:43:11.460 --> 00:43:12.020
and let's do it now.

00:43:12.120 --> 00:43:15.600
And I mean it almost in the weird Trent Reznor Nine Inch Nails sense.

00:43:16.180 --> 00:43:21.880
And what I mean is that he was not above or below or anything trying to make his guitar sound like something completely different.

00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:23.820
Or once they had a track down,

00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:25.300
I mean, other than a guitar.

00:43:26.560 --> 00:43:30.920
He would find ways to do things like that. But then he also

00:43:31.680 --> 00:43:34.940
was a big fan of the mixing board. He wanted to understand how it worked.

00:43:36.600 --> 00:43:38.880
He liked panning things left and right. He liked

00:43:40.240 --> 00:43:44.560
doing all kinds of strange things. And he was in up every track that was available to him to record on.

00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:48.760
So I had mentioned Electric Leyland as an example. And I'm going to do that again.

00:43:49.100 --> 00:43:52.500
And that and Crosstown Traffic. And all I'm going to suggest is that you

00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:57.300
Listen to those two songs in headphones and anything on AXIS or Electric Ladyland.

00:43:58.250 --> 00:44:00.480
And listen to the way that the,

00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:03.240
like on the song Electric Ladyland,

00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:07.060
he actually recorded multiple lead vocals,

00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:09.300
and it's all one long phrase,

00:44:09.520 --> 00:44:11.320
but he sings in one track,

00:44:11.860 --> 00:44:15.140
one part, and then the other track he's singing the next part.

00:44:15.900 --> 00:44:22.380
It's seamless when you listen to it, but you can tell on headphones that it's different tracks that are going in and out of each other, and he did that with background.

00:44:22.620 --> 00:44:23.220
vocals and stuff.

00:44:24.050 --> 00:44:26.260
He was infinitely creative with like going,

00:44:26.420 --> 00:44:27.460
I've written this cool thing.

00:44:28.300 --> 00:44:30.580
Now what weird stuff can we do to it in the studio?

00:44:30.940 --> 00:44:34.840
And he was such a great performer that you could not know that about him.

00:44:35.720 --> 00:44:37.500
That was infinitely exciting to him.

00:44:37.740 --> 00:44:44.220
And I think the best way for you to experience it is to listen to Acts as Bold as Love and Electric Ladyland,

00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:45.880
both of the records in headphones,

00:44:46.770 --> 00:44:52.420
and understand where things are panning left and right and start to pay attention to things other than the guitar and drums. And you'll realize

00:44:52.460 --> 00:44:55.400
he was maximizing everything he could get in there.

00:44:55.860 --> 00:44:57.560
EXP, man. And it's all so musical.

00:44:57.860 --> 00:45:09.840
Well, I think Eddie Kramer deserves... Oh, of course....infinite amounts of credit for that because... So I was... Before we started, I mentioned that I have these 2010 versions of the first... His three albums.

00:45:10.380 --> 00:45:11.920
Not his first three. His three albums.

00:45:12.380 --> 00:45:15.260
And they're single discs and they come with DVDs.

00:45:15.720 --> 00:45:18.680
And on the DVD part... And there's no extras,

00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:20.780
which... Except on the first album,

00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:22.160
if people don't know,

00:45:22.460 --> 00:45:25.680
Back in that time, they used to release a UK version and a US version,

00:45:25.900 --> 00:45:29.940
and they would mix songs from all the singles where they were released,

00:45:30.200 --> 00:45:35.100
and the track order would be different, and even the spelling of the song titles would be different between the two.

00:45:35.820 --> 00:45:37.180
What they did on the first one,

00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:41.100
their only bonus tracks were just the US version of Are You Experienced,

00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:44.860
and it includes all the tracks from the UK version that are not on the US version.

00:45:45.240 --> 00:45:46.180
So you get both albums,

00:45:46.420 --> 00:45:47.600
but as one,

00:45:48.200 --> 00:45:49.300
not as two together.

00:45:49.580 --> 00:45:51.140
Anyway, they have these DVDs,

00:45:51.340 --> 00:45:51.960
and they talk.

00:45:52.460 --> 00:45:56.500
And the DVDs are like 12 minutes on one and 17 on the other two.

00:45:57.040 --> 00:45:57.340
They're short.

00:45:57.730 --> 00:46:04.880
They talk about how they were doing the recording process for X number songs for each album on that specific DVD.

00:46:05.160 --> 00:46:06.660
They talk about all that,

00:46:06.860 --> 00:46:14.840
of all these things that Eddie Kramer came up with. I was thinking about doing this. And so I did it. I played it for Jimmy. And he was like, this is amazing.

00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:16.760
Let's do this.

00:46:17.080 --> 00:46:20.220
And so they were talking about how they were recording on four tracks only.

00:46:21.120 --> 00:46:22.580
All this was on 4-track.

00:46:22.940 --> 00:46:23.340
Yeah,

00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:27.620
and they bounced it down to, like, they were able to get, like, I think,

00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:30.320
like, actually somewhere around 6 or 8.

00:46:30.860 --> 00:46:33.200
I honestly think you can achieve,

00:46:33.380 --> 00:46:36.960
let's see, you can bounce 4 into 1,

00:46:37.300 --> 00:46:40.580
and then that leaves you 4-tracks. You can do it multiple times.

00:46:40.740 --> 00:46:44.000
That's what they were doing. They were constantly dropping down.

00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:45.900
I think mathematically it's 16,

00:46:46.220 --> 00:46:51.100
but maybe it's more than that. I'm not sure. But yeah, you had it right. What they would do is they would mix

00:46:51.140 --> 00:46:52.540
down everything onto one of the tracks.

00:46:54.520 --> 00:46:56.420
Which, by the way, is a George Martin innovation.

00:46:56.590 --> 00:46:56.880
But they,

00:46:57.440 --> 00:46:59.360
yeah, you got it right, TR.

00:46:59.560 --> 00:47:03.000
Long story short. Well, you can just keep doing it and doing it. I mean, it's going to sound crappier,

00:47:03.180 --> 00:47:03.340
but.

00:47:04.200 --> 00:47:06.960
You could. But given the technology they had at the time,

00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:08.220
and it just,

00:47:08.380 --> 00:47:10.760
it's, if you ever get a chance to see these,

00:47:10.980 --> 00:47:11.460
they're short.

00:47:11.770 --> 00:47:11.880
Again,

00:47:12.040 --> 00:47:14.160
17 minutes is the longest one.

00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:21.060
And I think they talk about five songs in the studio. It just, they talk about all that creativity of things they were trying to do.

00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:32.160
I don't think people realize how much of a badass Eddie Kramer is and was in terms of what he could do as an engineer.

00:47:35.420 --> 00:47:49.940
I made this great article about Randy Rhoads one time and they were talking about him recording the solos for Diary of Mad Men and they were doing all these weird things like they would wrap the microphone in plastic and put in a bucket of water and all this kind of stuff.

00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:52.980
because this is how you used to try to get different sounds.

00:47:54.020 --> 00:47:58.820
And Hendrix was like that, which is really the producer thing I'm talking about. And I agree with John.

00:47:59.020 --> 00:48:03.880
I think Eddie Kramer created and or facilitated 100% of it.

00:48:04.640 --> 00:48:18.500
But Jimmy was so interested in music and his own music and the things that he could do that he was not against going in and going. Now, how can we mess this up in the best kind of way and put interesting things in there and all these little things?

00:48:18.900 --> 00:48:19.820
So he's a headphones guy.

00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:21.280
You gotta listen to his records in headphones.

00:48:21.540 --> 00:48:29.280
The other thing I was gonna mention was Crosstown Traffic. I might have, but just go listen to that song in headphones and then listen to where they get to the chorus.

00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:30.820
It's Crosstown Traffic,

00:48:31.060 --> 00:48:35.100
look out! And everybody's all in these different places and stuff and they pan them in all these great places.

00:48:35.560 --> 00:48:39.260
It's using the mixing board as an instrument and it's perfect.

00:48:39.560 --> 00:48:45.140
You know, it's just the man's love for music was so clear in every part of the process.

00:48:45.460 --> 00:48:46.060
Let's put it that way.

00:48:46.380 --> 00:48:46.560
Well,

00:48:46.780 --> 00:48:48.040
and you mentioned Sgt.

00:48:48.260 --> 00:48:48.440
Pepper,

00:48:48.640 --> 00:48:49.840
so it's clear

00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:50.960
A lot of that on there too,

00:48:51.120 --> 00:48:51.220
yeah.

00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:55.620
I'm pretty sure he listened to that and said, how can I do that with my music,

00:48:55.960 --> 00:49:00.000
right? Like, I'm sure that there was a lot of that kind of thing where,

00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:08.040
because that was exploding at that time, right? Like, the Beatles were doing things nobody had ever done in the studio.

00:49:08.680 --> 00:49:12.560
The Beach Boys were doing stuff that nobody had ever done in the studio.

00:49:13.380 --> 00:49:19.820
So I'm sure there was a lot of, there was like, hey, how can, how can I leverage this and what can I do to,

00:49:19.860 --> 00:49:27.000
to kind of do some things that are unique or like what I want to do with my music,

00:49:27.260 --> 00:49:27.320
right?

00:49:27.600 --> 00:49:32.460
It came out, that came out in 67 and so did Axis Bold as Love.

00:49:33.270 --> 00:49:34.620
Now as John mentioned, he was releasing,

00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:35.120
you know,

00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:38.700
all this stuff in a very short period of time and I'm sure that record influenced him.

00:49:39.310 --> 00:49:42.520
But I also like thinking that they were kind of coming up with these things at the same time,

00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:44.660
you know, I think to a certain extent.

00:49:46.380 --> 00:49:47.420
They had the same dealer,

00:49:47.620 --> 00:49:47.760
man.

00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:51.520
You know, it's funny, you mentioned the Sgt.

00:49:51.720 --> 00:49:56.300
Peppers, and there's the very famous interview thing with Dennis,

00:49:56.660 --> 00:49:57.420
was it Wilson?

00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:00.340
Beach Boys guy.

00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:01.660
Brian Wilson.

00:50:02.020 --> 00:50:03.000
Brian Wilson, thank you.

00:50:03.380 --> 00:50:06.620
And he was just sitting there feeling very proud of him.

00:50:07.060 --> 00:50:08.580
Pet Sounds had just come out.

00:50:09.020 --> 00:50:09.320
Yeah.

00:50:10.040 --> 00:50:12.900
So he gave him a copy of Sgt. Pepper, and he was like, God damn it.

00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:13.420
Yeah.

00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:15.880
Right.

00:50:16.240 --> 00:50:19.460
It obviously influenced Hendricks because

00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:21.200
that famous show, Isla Wright,

00:50:21.420 --> 00:50:24.560
which I think was right before he died.

00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:28.640
I think he died like that. Three weeks later or something. Three weeks later, okay.

00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:32.680
He opens with God Save the Queen and Sergeant Pepper.

00:50:33.140 --> 00:50:34.540
That's how he opens his show.

00:50:34.720 --> 00:50:36.240
He doesn't even open with his own music.

00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:43.240
I mentioned this previously at some point, not in this episode,

00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:46.700
but if you watch the Isla Boy performance,

00:50:46.860 --> 00:50:47.540
which you can do,

00:50:48.460 --> 00:50:48.840
and they,

00:50:49.520 --> 00:50:51.760
starts out backstage with him for a few minutes.

00:50:52.540 --> 00:50:54.580
And I love that right before he goes on,

00:50:54.740 --> 00:50:58.840
he says to somebody, wait, wait, wait, wait. And they're like walking by. He goes, how does God save the queen go again?

00:50:59.780 --> 00:51:03.640
And it's because I think he decided in that moment, I'm going to play it and I don't remember how it goes.

00:51:04.420 --> 00:51:06.120
He still went out and nailed it. Yeah.

00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:09.200
Okay.

00:51:09.500 --> 00:51:11.660
So just another quick sidebar.

00:51:12.500 --> 00:51:14.460
We mentioned the wind cries Mary a couple of times,

00:51:14.780 --> 00:51:15.820
maybe more than a couple of times.

00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:18.460
Do you know that they recorded that,

00:51:18.460 --> 00:51:19.940
That whole song,

00:51:20.300 --> 00:51:20.500
everything,

00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:21.660
learned and recorded.

00:51:22.660 --> 00:51:22.960
20 minutes.

00:51:23.940 --> 00:51:24.380
Absolutely.

00:51:24.900 --> 00:51:25.340
Yeah.

00:51:25.670 --> 00:51:27.140
So apparently Jimmy,

00:51:27.420 --> 00:51:29.400
I have to go back and watch it again.

00:51:29.640 --> 00:51:30.640
I was watching it earlier today.

00:51:31.340 --> 00:51:32.300
He and Chaz were,

00:51:32.680 --> 00:51:35.000
because they were actually roommates in London,

00:51:36.200 --> 00:51:39.140
and they were working on it. And when he went into the studio,

00:51:39.380 --> 00:51:45.660
the one thing I got from everyone on these three videos is that he was, don't be fooled by the,

00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:46.080
yeah,

00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:46.720
man, cool,

00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:47.900
groovy, all that stuff.

00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:48.080
Yeah,

00:51:48.580 --> 00:51:51.340
that was real, but apparently was very well prepared.

00:51:51.560 --> 00:51:51.760
I mean,

00:51:52.080 --> 00:51:53.580
literally everywhere he went,

00:51:53.740 --> 00:51:59.860
he had a guitar. He woke up, had a guitar still strapped on him, hit the head, was sitting there with his guitar, cooking with his guitar.

00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:02.840
He was always extremely prepared,

00:52:03.140 --> 00:52:06.560
and Chaz Chandler was always time is money in the studio. Let's go.

00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:07.340
Let's keep it moving.

00:52:07.780 --> 00:52:09.380
We only got three hours, guys.

00:52:09.580 --> 00:52:10.580
Let's rip these songs out.

00:52:10.860 --> 00:52:12.880
And that's where sort of the friction came,

00:52:13.100 --> 00:52:17.400
especially with Noel Redding, too, because Noel Redding liked that, and Jimmy wanted to explore a little more.

00:52:17.720 --> 00:52:18.640
Did you get the feeling?

00:52:19.260 --> 00:52:20.600
What's your opinion on Noel Redding?

00:52:20.860 --> 00:52:21.860
Was he kind of a dick?

00:52:22.940 --> 00:52:23.300
Yeah,

00:52:23.520 --> 00:52:26.920
so let me get to that in one sec. I want to get to this because I don't want to forget this.

00:52:27.130 --> 00:52:27.940
So that when they went in,

00:52:28.310 --> 00:52:28.800
they literally,

00:52:29.140 --> 00:52:40.840
Mitch Mitchell and Noel Redding, credit to both of them, got it down and they cut it in 20 minutes because they had like literally 20 minutes left in the studio and Chaz is like, we're not spending any more money in the studio.

00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:45.640
And they ripped that song off and that's the version you're hearing. And I'm like,

00:52:46.020 --> 00:52:46.620
wait, wait a minute.

00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:47.920
How many takes?

00:52:48.260 --> 00:52:48.480
One?

00:52:48.740 --> 00:52:49.420
Two? That's it?

00:52:50.020 --> 00:52:50.720
So yes.

00:52:51.740 --> 00:52:52.560
Back to Noel Redding.

00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:54.320
Yes.

00:52:54.540 --> 00:53:03.660
I think that there was definite friction between them. I think he did not like the multiple takes or the exploring. I think he was a dick.

00:53:04.660 --> 00:53:06.080
I think I'm sticking with that.

00:53:06.660 --> 00:53:10.800
I think I saw something where Mitch Mitchell was like, yeah, I love Jimmy.

00:53:11.100 --> 00:53:12.620
I didn't love Noel.

00:53:13.020 --> 00:53:16.520
I saw something where he was just like,

00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:17.680
Yeah, I never know.

00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:21.720
On the Electric Ladyland documentary about the studio,

00:53:21.980 --> 00:53:25.080
every time they talk to him, he comes off as such a perrick.

00:53:25.170 --> 00:53:26.360
And he's just like...

00:53:26.390 --> 00:53:27.100
A perrick.

00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:29.920
He's sort of like, I don't know, judgmental.

00:53:31.060 --> 00:53:31.940
And he's...

00:53:31.950 --> 00:53:33.420
He pushes back on a lot of stuff.

00:53:33.890 --> 00:53:34.000
Like,

00:53:34.160 --> 00:53:35.320
I contributed to this,

00:53:35.540 --> 00:53:37.860
and I should be talked about a little more kind of thing.

00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:38.880
Yeah,

00:53:39.040 --> 00:53:43.980
so I think what I got to is that Jimmy got along with Mitch Mitchell a lot.

00:53:44.200 --> 00:53:46.860
And even though Buddy Miles came in,

00:53:47.820 --> 00:53:51.840
Mitch Mitchell still was playing with him after Band of Gypsies, you know, after they did that.

00:53:52.620 --> 00:53:58.240
By the way, I don't think he took that personally either. I think he was a pretty laid-back dude. And Noel Redding was nowhere to be seen.

00:53:58.540 --> 00:54:00.340
It was all Billy Cox at that point,

00:54:00.520 --> 00:54:02.260
you know, and anybody else that, I mean,

00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:12.140
Jack Cassidy's on, he actually plays on the album on Electric Ladyland because he happened to just be there at the time, Jack Cassidy being from Jefferson Airplane and Hot Tuna.

00:54:12.560 --> 00:54:13.920
He was the bass player.

00:54:14.300 --> 00:54:16.920
I'll give Noel Redding this much credit. And that is that,

00:54:17.610 --> 00:54:18.560
I mean, not credit,

00:54:18.780 --> 00:54:19.800
but allowance.

00:54:20.200 --> 00:54:23.740
And that's that in the, in one of those documentaries I watched,

00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:24.100
um,

00:54:25.040 --> 00:54:28.240
he does say, Jimmy would be like, yeah, I'd be there at eight and Jimmy would show up at two.

00:54:28.560 --> 00:54:30.040
So, okay. Like I get it. You know what I mean? Like,

00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:32.920
yeah, he, he obviously wanted five nights a week.

00:54:33.160 --> 00:54:34.320
He wanted a more structured,

00:54:34.540 --> 00:54:35.880
uh, studio,

00:54:36.550 --> 00:54:36.660
uh,

00:54:37.120 --> 00:54:37.220
setup,

00:54:37.520 --> 00:54:42.880
which he was real. That's why he got along with the Chaz Chandler style of let's get this done.

00:54:43.640 --> 00:54:48.440
I think Chaz Chandler made a comment. If you can't get this song done in three or four takes,

00:54:48.660 --> 00:54:50.980
then you're just not a good musician kind of thing, which is like,

00:54:51.140 --> 00:54:51.320
well,

00:54:52.780 --> 00:54:53.760
yes and no, I guess.

00:54:54.300 --> 00:54:54.400
Maybe.

00:54:55.040 --> 00:54:55.460
So anyway,

00:54:55.920 --> 00:55:00.520
sorry to sidetrack there. I guess that kind of plays into the whole producer part of it a little bit. It does.

00:55:00.740 --> 00:55:01.180
And I'm wondering,

00:55:01.420 --> 00:55:08.360
I'm going to transition this away, but I want to give George and our TR a chance to throw anything extra against the wall here on this particular part.

00:55:09.220 --> 00:55:13.380
We've gotten to a nice segue here when the time comes. I'm good.

00:55:15.019 --> 00:55:15.380
Yeah,

00:55:16.330 --> 00:55:16.860
I think so.

00:55:17.200 --> 00:55:21.700
Well, good, because we were talking about Isla White,

00:55:22.240 --> 00:55:27.160
and so the next little kind of section here I had put was Performer,

00:55:27.340 --> 00:55:33.200
and let's bear in mind as we go down this list that Player is the last one, so that's number four.

00:55:33.350 --> 00:55:35.280
So I'm talking about Performer. I'm talking about Presence.

00:55:35.600 --> 00:55:37.640
I'm talking about what he did when he went on stage.

00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:41.340
You can talk about his fashion, whatever you want. I mean, the guy was a rock star,

00:55:41.500 --> 00:55:41.960
so there's that.

00:55:42.020 --> 00:55:46.540
But you know, I'm talking about how he played behind his head. He lit his guitar on fire. He played with his teeth.

00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:48.900
He moved in a cool way.

00:55:49.100 --> 00:55:51.660
You know, I mean, he just put on a show.

00:55:52.480 --> 00:56:01.120
And I love that about him, you know, and I love the live at Monterey, which is when the United States was truly officially introduced to him. There was no Internet.

00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:01.580
You know,

00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:03.300
they'd heard Hey Joe and that was it.

00:56:04.700 --> 00:56:12.000
And he comes out and just starts out with a dantica dantica dantica dantica dantica dantica dantica dantica dantica dantica

00:56:12.040 --> 00:56:14.360
He's doing it at his speed. None of these people have ever heard before.

00:56:15.650 --> 00:56:18.520
The fuzz pedal hasn't come on yet until the bass and drums come in.

00:56:18.740 --> 00:56:19.640
Can you imagine,

00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:19.940
man?

00:56:20.100 --> 00:56:24.820
I mean, if you were there, you would have been like, dude, I saw this guy the other night.

00:56:25.220 --> 00:56:25.600
Yeah.

00:56:26.430 --> 00:56:26.540
Well,

00:56:26.780 --> 00:56:28.000
and I kind of feel like,

00:56:29.980 --> 00:56:33.560
you know, as I listen to all this stuff and I listen to these albums,

00:56:34.060 --> 00:56:39.960
I also felt like I'm missing something because I'm not seeing it.

00:56:40.810 --> 00:56:41.160
You know?

00:56:41.540 --> 00:56:42.000
Like, you can

00:56:42.020 --> 00:56:43.400
Listen to the studio albums,

00:56:43.700 --> 00:56:46.440
but everything about this is like,

00:56:46.720 --> 00:56:46.840
oh,

00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:47.840
dude, you know,

00:56:48.120 --> 00:56:51.080
Clapton was like, we watched this guy and he blew us all away.

00:56:51.950 --> 00:56:52.800
Well, they watched him.

00:56:53.150 --> 00:56:53.980
You know what I mean? Like,

00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:55.300
yeah, they heard him,

00:56:55.880 --> 00:56:57.900
but they watched him play and they were like,

00:56:58.420 --> 00:57:00.300
oh, my God, what are we doing?

00:57:00.640 --> 00:57:00.720
Right.

00:57:01.560 --> 00:57:08.000
And so I kind of feel like some of that was lost on me because I didn't really,

00:57:08.620 --> 00:57:11.180
you know, when I was kind of preparing for this,

00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:13.020
All I did was listen to the albums.

00:57:13.640 --> 00:57:15.740
And I don't think I adequately...

00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:20.480
Obviously, I've seen the Woodstock footage and some other stuff.

00:57:22.020 --> 00:57:29.240
And various other things where just kind of little small pieces of his performance footage.

00:57:31.080 --> 00:57:39.580
But I feel like that element of it should not be underestimated.

00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:41.980
Because at the time,

00:57:42.900 --> 00:57:44.100
nobody had done that.

00:57:44.580 --> 00:57:45.760
Nobody looked like that.

00:57:45.980 --> 00:57:47.220
Nobody played like that.

00:57:47.860 --> 00:57:52.320
And I'm sure that people were completely captivated.

00:57:53.150 --> 00:57:55.440
And minds were blown, right?

00:57:55.640 --> 00:58:01.840
And so I kind of feel like I need to watch more live footage of him.

00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:04.060
The presentation was important.

00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:05.200
There's no question about it.

00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:05.500
Yeah.

00:58:05.680 --> 00:58:08.800
And I kind of feel like I'm doing myself a disservice.

00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:15.440
because I have not watched enough live footage of him to appreciate.

00:58:16.020 --> 00:58:17.180
It's just like Elvis.

00:58:17.520 --> 00:58:18.780
If you just listen to Elvis,

00:58:19.080 --> 00:58:20.100
yeah, it's good.

00:58:20.720 --> 00:58:22.580
But when you see him actually perform,

00:58:23.420 --> 00:58:23.760
it's like,

00:58:23.940 --> 00:58:24.080
oh,

00:58:24.260 --> 00:58:25.800
there's this whole other dimension.

00:58:26.160 --> 00:58:27.960
And if you don't see that,

00:58:28.120 --> 00:58:32.360
you kind of miss out on it. You just don't get the full picture.

00:58:33.140 --> 00:58:33.700
Yeah.

00:58:33.960 --> 00:58:37.300
I don't think you're wrong about that.

00:58:37.380 --> 00:58:38.080
And I think he,

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because he was really something to look at.

00:58:40.770 --> 00:58:41.100
I mean,

00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:45.740
he was a guy that if there was no musical thing going on and it was 1968,

00:58:46.140 --> 00:58:47.000
he walked by on the street,

00:58:47.060 --> 00:58:47.400
you'd be like,

00:58:47.410 --> 00:58:48.200
did you see that dude,

00:58:48.320 --> 00:58:48.380
dude?

00:58:48.450 --> 00:58:48.900
You know what I mean?

00:58:48.900 --> 00:58:50.840
Like there was presence there.

00:58:50.990 --> 00:58:51.080
Plus,

00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:53.220
plus this aspect aspect of performing,

00:58:53.500 --> 00:58:53.600
obviously,

00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:57.640
which was very flamboyant or whatever you want to call it.

00:58:58.300 --> 00:58:58.940
I would suggest,

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actually I got two things.

00:59:00.860 --> 00:59:03.000
I'll say the first thing I'm going to pause for the second.

00:59:03.410 --> 00:59:05.000
Cause I want George to edit it out.

00:59:06.580 --> 00:59:07.560
I would suggest,

00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:16.700
TR, that you focus more on the later shows than the early shows. Because the early shows are going to get the guitar with the teeth picking.

00:59:16.900 --> 00:59:20.440
You're going to get the guitar lit on fire and kind of the gyrations.

00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:27.540
As he gets further down the road, which is only a couple of years, I think it's more a band at that point.

00:59:27.700 --> 00:59:29.920
And they're really kind of just jamming.

00:59:30.120 --> 00:59:32.220
Meaning like they're grooving out there.

00:59:32.420 --> 00:59:34.760
And it's not so much about the presentation.

00:59:34.930 --> 00:59:36.120
The presentation is still there.

00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:39.240
But he's really given you the whole package.

00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:39.600
Before,

00:59:39.860 --> 00:59:40.800
lighting a guitar and fire,

00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:48.380
that just blew everyone away. That's all people see is him lighting a guitar and fire any time you see an image of him. But then you go back and watch Isle of Ryder,

00:59:48.700 --> 00:59:51.860
Woodstock. It's almost like a completely different guy at that point.

00:59:52.060 --> 00:59:52.440
It is.

00:59:52.860 --> 00:59:55.600
I have an addendum to that,

00:59:55.860 --> 01:00:05.020
John. And it's that Ingve Malmsteen famously was influenced. The first he saw the Live at the Monterey thing was a little boy in Sweden.

01:00:05.680 --> 01:00:06.320
he's from.

01:00:06.860 --> 01:00:10.260
And he said, and I swear to God, I saw this interview myself,

01:00:10.540 --> 01:00:14.020
and he says, and it was that I saw him, and he set his guitar on fire,

01:00:14.300 --> 01:00:16.500
and he said, and I thought, man, that's what I want to do.

01:00:17.140 --> 01:00:20.080
And he said, and then I swear to God, his next sentence was, not necessarily the music.

01:00:20.340 --> 01:00:22.380
It was sort of like, I didn't pay attention to him.

01:00:24.540 --> 01:00:27.780
So I don't disagree with John, but I would say this, you do need to watch live at Monterey,

01:00:27.940 --> 01:00:29.020
because you need to see what happens.

01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:30.200
You've got to see where it starts.

01:00:30.470 --> 01:00:30.560
Yeah.

01:00:31.240 --> 01:00:35.540
When the United States saw him for the first time, you're going to want to see that.

01:00:35.700 --> 01:00:35.800
But then,

01:00:36.660 --> 01:00:37.600
do know also,

01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:42.100
and this is a testament to what John's saying, is that he came to sort of resent that stuff.

01:00:42.940 --> 01:00:43.140
Like,

01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:49.480
he got, by the time he died, he was just like, I hope they're not expecting me to play with my teeth tonight.

01:00:49.640 --> 01:00:50.040
You know what I mean?

01:00:50.200 --> 01:00:50.360
Like,

01:00:50.540 --> 01:00:54.480
he sort of resented that that was one of the things people appreciated about him.

01:00:54.900 --> 01:00:55.300
Okay.

01:00:55.520 --> 01:00:58.100
And then my second thing, real quick, and I'll pause.

01:01:00.260 --> 01:01:02.480
We got an hour and 15 minutes before I gotta go.

01:01:02.980 --> 01:01:05.500
And I'm fully contributing to this.

01:01:05.900 --> 01:01:07.680
this derailed train.

01:01:08.020 --> 01:01:09.060
I fully admit that.

01:01:09.260 --> 01:01:13.480
But I don't want to miss out on some of the stuff that, Jay, you wanted to talk about.

01:01:14.060 --> 01:01:14.960
Well, we're almost there.

01:01:15.420 --> 01:01:20.020
We're doing good. Because I know we have to talk about where was he going and our suggestions,

01:01:20.200 --> 01:01:21.760
and I don't want to miss out on that. So I just,

01:01:21.940 --> 01:01:23.980
and I'll shut up more.

01:01:24.980 --> 01:01:25.660
More edits,

01:01:25.960 --> 01:01:26.200
dumb, dumb.

01:01:26.720 --> 01:01:30.000
We've almost gone like two hours. Like, holy shit, are we moving that fast?

01:01:30.300 --> 01:01:30.520
Well,

01:01:30.700 --> 01:01:32.420
okay.

01:01:32.740 --> 01:01:33.620
To that end, edit.

01:01:34.520 --> 01:01:34.960
On edit.

01:01:35.700 --> 01:01:37.440
In the interest of economy,

01:01:37.900 --> 01:01:44.260
I think we can safely move on to the last little aspect of this thing, but it's one of the more important things with Hendrix. And it's also,

01:01:44.440 --> 01:01:49.640
it can't be talked about that much because it's sort of hard. It's ineffable. It's hard to put into words.

01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:53.040
So what we're going to do is talk about Jimmy as the player,

01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:54.340
which is what he's famous for,

01:01:54.500 --> 01:01:54.620
right?

01:01:55.300 --> 01:02:02.960
He loved the women. I'm just going to make a couple of suggestions of things that I think people should check out and just know that me,

01:02:03.120 --> 01:02:05.440
and I think I can speak for John when, you know,

01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:35.460
I don't know if completist is the word but definitely I if it's a show from 1967 four months after the last one that I owned and it's the exact same thing I'm going to check it out and the reason I'm going to check it out even though I've heard all the other ones is because he does something interesting in every show there's always something where I'm like whoa I never heard that before and he goes in all these weird directions and they're just a testament to how much he knew about the guitar the amount of ideas he had the different styles that he was capable of playing it was insane

01:02:35.480 --> 01:02:41.340
And so I'm going to make two suggestions to our listeners if you don't know his stuff very well. And one is called,

01:02:41.520 --> 01:02:45.340
it's literally called Woodstock Improvisation.

01:02:45.520 --> 01:02:50.340
It's on the Woodstock release in which he just plays for four or five or six or seven minutes.

01:02:50.800 --> 01:02:52.940
And he's just making it up as he goes along.

01:02:53.090 --> 01:02:53.700
And it's crazy.

01:02:54.080 --> 01:02:55.080
It's not lead stuff.

01:02:55.320 --> 01:02:57.420
He's doing a lot of like acoustic or not acoustic stuff,

01:02:57.600 --> 01:02:59.620
but just it's like he's playing like a rhythm guitar thing.

01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:05.420
And you're just like, how many chords does this dude know? And why did he turn left there? And now it's the coolest thing I've ever heard in my life.

01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:10.280
And he was capable of doing that over and over and over. So I'm going to mention that one.

01:03:10.820 --> 01:03:13.780
I'm going to mention from the same thing,

01:03:15.080 --> 01:03:27.000
the Woodstock show is a song called Jam Back at the House, which I think is worth listening to because it's called Jam Back at the House because right when they start to play, he says, we just came up with this jam back at the house.

01:03:27.240 --> 01:03:30.380
And this means 10 minutes ago or last night or whatever.

01:03:30.580 --> 01:03:31.620
And they play this complete,

01:03:32.040 --> 01:03:32.700
really cool,

01:03:33.080 --> 01:03:33.400
proggy,

01:03:33.700 --> 01:03:34.180
riffy thing.

01:03:35.120 --> 01:03:35.420
Finally,

01:03:36.600 --> 01:03:44.020
if you've listened to any combinations of the two podcasts that we're on, you've heard Machine Gun mentioned.

01:03:44.280 --> 01:03:48.240
And if you don't know the Band of Gypsies version of Machine Gun, they're all good.

01:03:48.440 --> 01:03:50.200
Like I said, he does something interesting all the time.

01:03:51.020 --> 01:03:57.580
But he proves that somebody can basically play lead guitar for 12 minutes straight and have it be interesting and not repeat yourself.

01:03:58.320 --> 01:04:02.200
Actually, the only other thing I'll mention is a wonderful show that John turned me on to,

01:04:02.360 --> 01:04:03.180
a Berklee show.

01:04:03.740 --> 01:04:09.060
And there's a song on there that later became a different song on New Rays of the Rise of the Sun.

01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:15.660
It's not even called the same thing, but it's called, on this one, it's called Passin' On.

01:04:16.340 --> 01:04:18.520
So listen to the Berklee version of Passin' On,

01:04:18.680 --> 01:04:22.060
and it's just a basic, really cool riffy structure,

01:04:22.460 --> 01:04:33.560
but you can see how easily he got bored, because every time he comes back around the verse, he plays the main riff in a completely different place, or just decides to change the chords,

01:04:33.620 --> 01:04:33.940
or whatever.

01:04:34.420 --> 01:04:38.440
And if you were not educated in music at all, you'd be like, oh, well, these are all different.

01:04:38.660 --> 01:04:51.060
It's not. It's all the exact same thing. It's just like, now I'm going to play it, you know, three steps down and I'm going to play chords instead of this. And it is so interesting. And he was capable of doing that over and over and over. So as a player, the guy was incredible.

01:04:52.780 --> 01:04:55.380
That's what I think I have to contribute to that. We could go on for hours.

01:04:55.660 --> 01:04:58.880
But please, if there are any performances you'd like to share our thoughts.

01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:01.860
I'm going to double down on Machine Gun.

01:05:02.740 --> 01:05:07.400
And I don't think I can emphasize a song more that kind of is him.

01:05:08.200 --> 01:05:08.460
I mean,

01:05:08.640 --> 01:05:09.460
I think Voodoo Child,

01:05:09.700 --> 01:05:10.520
Slight Return,

01:05:11.140 --> 01:05:16.500
and Machine Gun are the songs that we should remember more for than some of his early stuff.

01:05:16.660 --> 01:05:19.100
But the reason why I'm doubling down on Machine Gun,

01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:20.560
just real quick.

01:05:21.460 --> 01:05:27.800
So I have the first night at the Fillmore East where he did his famous band at Gypsy Shows.

01:05:28.080 --> 01:05:30.660
And the first concert setting,

01:05:30.860 --> 01:05:32.700
I guess, where it was

01:05:32.740 --> 01:05:36.640
It wasn't the first time it played. It had been played two times before that.

01:05:37.210 --> 01:05:42.400
But it was played as a medley at some charitable event.

01:05:42.640 --> 01:05:46.520
And then it was played on the Dick Cavett show a couple months before that.

01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:51.700
But the first time, like a full concert setting was at this first show at the Fillmore.

01:05:51.940 --> 01:05:56.280
And the reason I want to bring up Machine Gun is it was like just under nine minutes on that show.

01:05:56.960 --> 01:06:02.620
Then the day three show, which is on the Band of Gypsies, which TRU listened to,

01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:06.240
that you're referring to as the fourth album. George, I know you've heard this.

01:06:06.460 --> 01:06:10.740
It's 12 minutes and 40 seconds on that. Now, I don't know how much of that is crowd noise,

01:06:10.920 --> 01:06:12.020
you know, in between the songs.

01:06:12.920 --> 01:06:14.100
But on Isla Wright,

01:06:14.400 --> 01:06:17.260
it's listed as 22 minutes and 13 seconds,

01:06:18.060 --> 01:06:18.300
you know.

01:06:18.460 --> 01:06:23.720
And then on The Berklee Show, it's 11 minutes and 22 seconds.

01:06:23.960 --> 01:06:24.780
So my point is,

01:06:25.480 --> 01:06:26.460
Jay already alluded to this,

01:06:26.620 --> 01:06:28.040
it changed.

01:06:28.300 --> 01:06:29.600
It might be the same songs,

01:06:30.140 --> 01:06:32.660
but it changed every night or every time you prefer.

01:06:32.780 --> 01:06:35.360
And that's why it's really worth going back and listening

01:06:36.160 --> 01:06:37.760
to see what he's doing different.

01:06:38.110 --> 01:06:40.480
You know, and where his mindset is.

01:06:40.600 --> 01:06:42.480
Because, you know, I don't, if you listen to his live shows,

01:06:42.590 --> 01:06:44.060
he mumbles a lot before songs.

01:06:44.160 --> 01:06:44.460
So,

01:06:44.630 --> 01:06:46.600
you know, we came up with this song and I don't know,

01:06:46.840 --> 01:06:47.720
maybe you like it, maybe you don't.

01:06:47.800 --> 01:06:48.860
We're just going to kind of groove it.

01:06:49.080 --> 01:06:50.020
See how it goes from there, man.

01:06:50.140 --> 01:06:50.680
Yeah, it's cool.

01:06:50.900 --> 01:06:50.980
Cool.

01:06:51.250 --> 01:06:51.760
All right, hold on a second.

01:06:52.020 --> 01:06:53.760
You know, he like walks off for a second and comes back.

01:06:54.480 --> 01:06:55.660
It's kind of funny how he does it.

01:06:56.200 --> 01:06:56.540
You know?

01:06:56.870 --> 01:07:01.120
And then my second one is two songs we've mentioned already numerous times.

01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:03.860
But that was from

01:07:06.080 --> 01:07:07.660
Something called Live at the Winterland

01:07:08.020 --> 01:07:09.620
Which you can't get that disc anymore

01:07:09.940 --> 01:07:11.180
Which kind of pisses me off

01:07:11.390 --> 01:07:13.060
Unless you get it on Discogs or eBay

01:07:13.580 --> 01:07:14.880
And I should have got it when I had a chance

01:07:15.020 --> 01:07:16.920
But it's since been re-released

01:07:17.320 --> 01:07:19.520
As all six shows at the Winterland

01:07:20.080 --> 01:07:21.900
The disc originally when it came out

01:07:22.040 --> 01:07:22.780
Was a combination

01:07:23.080 --> 01:07:23.280
Anyway,

01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:24.740
on the

01:07:25.800 --> 01:07:26.940
God, I can't remember what night it was

01:07:27.160 --> 01:07:30.259
He does Little Wing followed by Spanish Castle Magic

01:07:30.260 --> 01:07:33.380
And just to hear him go from this quiet,

01:07:33.660 --> 01:07:36.920
delicate kind of ballady song into this aggressive,

01:07:37.180 --> 01:07:37.680
up front,

01:07:37.880 --> 01:07:39.580
in your face, hard rocker,

01:07:39.940 --> 01:07:40.920
and they're tied together.

01:07:41.720 --> 01:07:49.220
I just really thought that was great to hear the different dynamics all in a span of what, eight minutes?

01:07:49.640 --> 01:07:51.440
I think nine minutes that he does this.

01:07:52.080 --> 01:07:59.120
I would suggest those. Any live show that you hear about is going to be good.

01:07:59.160 --> 01:08:01.180
We've mentioned a lot of them already.

01:08:01.640 --> 01:08:02.820
He never phoned it in, though.

01:08:03.240 --> 01:08:03.320
Yeah.

01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:05.900
Some of the live performances don't sound great.

01:08:06.120 --> 01:08:06.980
Not to cut you off. I apologize,

01:08:07.180 --> 01:08:11.680
Jay. Last thing. But all the ones we've mentioned, Jay mentioned Berklee. We've all mentioned Band of Gypsies,

01:08:12.240 --> 01:08:12.980
Woodstock,

01:08:13.240 --> 01:08:16.420
Isle of Wight. You're not going to go wrong listening to all those.

01:08:17.060 --> 01:08:17.380
Monterey.

01:08:18.279 --> 01:08:18.759
Monterey, yeah.

01:08:18.980 --> 01:08:19.160
Thank you.

01:08:19.640 --> 01:08:25.020
Well, at the Berklee show, I don't know if you just said that, but I do want to push that one on people. I think it's a really exemplary show.

01:08:25.920 --> 01:08:29.120
There was a great moment in it, too, that I love, which is he kind of, once he's

01:08:29.160 --> 01:08:59.120
I once he did the national anthem at Woodstock he went on to make part of his set you know he would that was probably I don't know if he debuted it there I think he did but then he was just like okay I guess this is something I got to do now and he does it at the Berklee show and I just love that he's doing it and it's just like machine gun it's different every time but by the way I always think he was doing an English siren when he goes dee dee dee dee in that I'm sure that's what he was doing but in any case when he gets to the part

01:08:59.140 --> 01:09:01.160
of Our Flag Was Still There.

01:09:01.500 --> 01:09:03.880
And keep in mind, this is the full stack.

01:09:04.120 --> 01:09:04.400
Marshall,

01:09:04.569 --> 01:09:05.020
blah, blah, blah.

01:09:05.279 --> 01:09:06.880
And he stops playing for 0.2 seconds.

01:09:08.009 --> 01:09:10.200
And he goes, and the flag was still there.

01:09:10.420 --> 01:09:12.020
Big deal. And then he goes right back into it.

01:09:15.700 --> 01:09:19.640
That was the best thing to say. The flag was still there. And I think he's more making fun of himself.

01:09:20.060 --> 01:09:21.440
Like, I've played this song a million times.

01:09:23.380 --> 01:09:23.819
Anyway,

01:09:24.259 --> 01:09:28.720
I think that covers Performer. Unless anybody else says anything they want to drop in here?

01:09:29.120 --> 01:09:31.420
I was going to talk about the Star Spangled Banner thing,

01:09:31.580 --> 01:09:34.799
but you handled it nicely. Yeah, I think that was my only thing,

01:09:34.960 --> 01:09:35.920
too. And I honestly,

01:09:36.100 --> 01:09:38.040
that's like that to me was like,

01:09:38.240 --> 01:09:40.839
I think what kind of put him on the map in a lot of ways,

01:09:41.040 --> 01:09:44.180
because like nobody had ever done that to the Star Spangled Banner,

01:09:44.380 --> 01:09:45.259
you know, like it was like,

01:09:45.620 --> 01:09:46.040
holy crap,

01:09:46.660 --> 01:09:46.819
you know,

01:09:47.400 --> 01:09:50.620
here's this guy and he just made all these sounds and it was like unbelievable.

01:09:51.020 --> 01:09:54.460
And I just I remember thinking to myself.

01:09:56.020 --> 01:09:57.160
Once he did that,

01:09:57.340 --> 01:09:59.000
it opened the door like it opened.

01:09:59.140 --> 01:10:03.480
door for everybody to kind of have their own version of the Star Spangled Banner.

01:10:04.040 --> 01:10:04.260
You know,

01:10:04.440 --> 01:10:05.360
people rightfully,

01:10:06.840 --> 01:10:07.120
there's,

01:10:07.280 --> 01:10:11.820
I don't know if you ever read Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.

01:10:12.480 --> 01:10:12.540
Yep.

01:10:12.820 --> 01:10:20.200
But Hunter Thompson says that Las Vegas was, you know, like the 60s took off in California.

01:10:21.620 --> 01:10:30.280
And then in his flowery and dirty language, he basically explains how it was the crest of the wave that came over to a sweep of the United States,

01:10:30.460 --> 01:10:32.540
but then it died in the desert, and that's why we have Las Vegas.

01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:40.340
But I mention that because there is so much weird social,

01:10:41.800 --> 01:10:48.720
anthropological kind of with that song at that moment.

01:10:48.940 --> 01:10:50.940
Because let's remember, this was Woodstock.

01:10:51.040 --> 01:11:21.000
was like it's right there's 500 000 of us we're all here together and we're hippies and then he came out and i'm not going to say psychedelicize but what did whatever he did to the national anthem and it that was like a turning point in the baby boomer history you know what i mean yes also the crest unfortunately was also las vegas it was the end of the 60s it was a lot of weird stuff you know and hendrix got that he understood the violence of the 60s you know what i mean like you can remember 60s however you want but some of it was pretty ugly

01:11:21.020 --> 01:11:23.620
And there was the Manson stuff.

01:11:24.100 --> 01:11:25.100
And Vietnam.

01:11:25.600 --> 01:11:34.220
The fact that he played the national anthem during Vietnam and kind of made it his own.

01:11:35.380 --> 01:11:36.220
I don't know.

01:11:36.560 --> 01:11:40.360
So I give him credit. I have listened to him too much.

01:11:41.420 --> 01:11:48.600
And I hear so much more than just a creative guitar player in that moment. I hear this guy that was really in tune with his times.

01:11:51.040 --> 01:11:57.160
about psychoanalyzing himself and putting into music what was going on with him and himself.

01:11:58.490 --> 01:11:59.620
And it was a huge moment.

01:12:00.160 --> 01:12:03.720
And it wasn't an accident, is my point. And I see that in so much of his music.

01:12:04.460 --> 01:12:12.580
It almost makes me feel like, and I could be 100% wrong, but also his way of saying, this is my ship that I'm sailing.

01:12:12.860 --> 01:12:14.620
And if I want to play this,

01:12:14.840 --> 01:12:17.300
there's not a damn thing anyone can do or say.

01:12:17.960 --> 01:12:19.340
And I'll go where I want to go.

01:12:19.900 --> 01:12:21.800
And I might have my views on things,

01:12:22.000 --> 01:12:28.580
but there's a time and place that I'm going to use this time and place to do this because it's not what you're expecting me to do.

01:12:29.080 --> 01:12:31.240
And I think he relished in that.

01:12:32.740 --> 01:12:33.620
In his lyrics,

01:12:34.070 --> 01:12:36.440
he always talked about that.

01:12:36.630 --> 01:12:41.300
You know, like, Six Plus Nine was another good example. That's the one where he's saying, you know, if the hippies cut off their hair, I don't care.

01:12:41.740 --> 01:12:45.160
That whole song, and a lot of his songs are about, you know what I'm saying,

01:12:45.400 --> 01:12:46.760
man, I'm walking down a direction.

01:12:46.940 --> 01:12:47.640
I'm walking down.

01:12:48.040 --> 01:12:48.740
It's me.

01:12:49.420 --> 01:12:50.280
I know who I am.

01:12:50.480 --> 01:12:52.920
I don't care about all this other stuff that you're glomming on to me.

01:12:53.650 --> 01:12:54.020
You know,

01:12:54.340 --> 01:12:58.380
and it's funny you mention that, too, because at the end of that Berklee show,

01:12:58.600 --> 01:12:59.940
he says,

01:13:00.160 --> 01:13:05.740
well, it's the national anthem for all of us, blah, blah, blah. He plays it, and he says, now I'll play the new national anthem, and he plays Voodoo Chels Late Return.

01:13:06.920 --> 01:13:07.280
And,

01:13:08.100 --> 01:13:08.160
yeah.

01:13:08.700 --> 01:13:12.200
Well, I mean, his views on Machine Gun changed over time.

01:13:12.560 --> 01:13:15.440
How he said, well, originally it's a Vietnam song,

01:13:15.660 --> 01:13:19.280
but then it says the Machine Gun actually could just be the struggle within yourself.

01:13:19.400 --> 01:13:21.560
You're fighting your own battle.

01:13:21.860 --> 01:13:23.080
And so I think he

01:13:23.760 --> 01:13:25.480
I don't know if we're giving him too much credit

01:13:25.480 --> 01:13:26.420
but I think he

01:13:26.920 --> 01:13:29.500
I think he saw through a lot

01:13:29.500 --> 01:13:30.900
of the BS

01:13:31.480 --> 01:13:33.180
and if it wasn't for the fact that

01:13:33.500 --> 01:13:34.380
he got cut short,

01:13:34.600 --> 01:13:35.460
I think he would have

01:13:35.580 --> 01:13:36.900
gone a completely different route

01:13:37.260 --> 01:13:37.800
at some point.

01:13:37.980 --> 01:13:39.280
Anyway. He would have taken the velvet

01:13:39.540 --> 01:13:41.460
pants off at some point and it would

01:13:41.460 --> 01:13:42.660
have been appreciated for

01:13:44.840 --> 01:13:45.440
I'm not going to say

01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:46.640
visionary, I'm going to say literary

01:13:47.460 --> 01:13:48.740
Which brings us around to this.

01:13:48.920 --> 01:13:49.480
Bob the lyricist.

01:13:50.220 --> 01:13:52.020
Jimmy kind of wanted to be Bob Dylan.

01:13:52.180 --> 01:13:54.220
And I mentioned that. I wanted that to be part of this.

01:13:54.620 --> 01:13:56.480
Because he did.

01:13:56.680 --> 01:13:58.140
He loved Bob Dylan.

01:13:59.100 --> 01:14:07.320
And it's most worth mentioning. I'll give you two examples of what I think are very fine lyrics by him.

01:14:07.520 --> 01:14:10.220
And one of those is called My Friend.

01:14:11.020 --> 01:14:15.400
Just listened to it. It was from the first race of the new rising sun.

01:14:16.640 --> 01:14:20.360
and also the song bold is love which i happen to know john likes very much

01:14:21.360 --> 01:14:27.240
if i told you that those were that those were lyrics bob dylan gave you might might just go okay

01:14:27.500 --> 01:14:32.640
i'd buy that and so all i mean to say is that he really admired that and he wasn't some of it came

01:14:32.840 --> 01:14:38.740
out as he got to get there by dragonfly i get it but he he also was he really liked that chopped up way of

01:14:38.980 --> 01:14:43.280
talking about things which really by the way is more james joyce than it is bob dylan at least bob

01:14:43.320 --> 01:14:44.380
Dylan stole that from James Joyce.

01:14:45.360 --> 01:14:47.020
Sorry to get all literary on you there,

01:14:47.180 --> 01:14:48.880
but Hendrix was a smart guy.

01:14:49.280 --> 01:14:56.200
And do yourself a favor. When you listen to him, listen to his lyrics, you're going to, you know, Purple Haze isn't going to change your life,

01:14:56.960 --> 01:14:58.800
but Bold is Love Mine,

01:14:59.040 --> 01:15:05.680
you know what I mean? Like, just make sure you tune in to some of the things he's talking about, the way he likes to say him, the way he likes to put a weird slant on things.

01:15:06.460 --> 01:15:08.240
You know, I mentioned My Friend,

01:15:08.440 --> 01:15:13.140
and the song My Friend is very, it could be, you know, Johnny's in the bass,

01:15:16.060 --> 01:15:18.420
"Subterranean Homesick Blues." Thank you,

01:15:18.640 --> 01:15:18.760
George.

01:15:19.880 --> 01:15:21.100
I actually like that song.

01:15:21.440 --> 01:15:21.980
Oh yeah,

01:15:22.180 --> 01:15:23.100
I'd love anything Dylan.

01:15:23.500 --> 01:15:23.940
Well,

01:15:24.370 --> 01:15:24.500
okay,

01:15:24.680 --> 01:15:25.360
not anything.

01:15:25.940 --> 01:15:28.960
Not everything. He famously was a napkin writer.

01:15:29.150 --> 01:15:36.280
He famously had journals with him. You know, he sometimes what he said is very simple, but sometimes I like things said to me in a very simple way.

01:15:36.480 --> 01:15:40.360
So I just think he probably doesn't get the credit he deserves as a lyricist.

01:15:41.100 --> 01:15:43.000
Unfortunately, I think it's the psychedelic thing.

01:15:43.280 --> 01:15:46.080
But that was such a small moment in time.

01:15:46.540 --> 01:15:46.820
Yeah,

01:15:47.300 --> 01:15:51.700
and I think that kind of put me off at first.

01:15:51.960 --> 01:15:54.760
So I guess I appreciate that you're telling me,

01:15:55.120 --> 01:15:55.240
like,

01:15:55.460 --> 01:15:56.940
no, you got to keep looking because,

01:15:57.240 --> 01:16:01.360
you know, some of that early stuff was kind of garbage.

01:16:01.820 --> 01:16:03.580
Like, I don't know, to me it was anyway.

01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:06.580
Like, it just seemed like, okay,

01:16:06.940 --> 01:16:12.500
like all this psychedelic kind of stuff. Then maybe there were other meanings and I'm missing it or something.

01:16:12.560 --> 01:16:17.040
But I just felt like... No, some of it was acid-speak, too. There's no question about it.

01:16:17.200 --> 01:16:17.560
Yeah.

01:16:17.740 --> 01:16:27.660
And I kind of came away thinking... I don't know. I did not... I didn't respect Jimi Hendrix as a lyricist.

01:16:28.420 --> 01:16:31.880
See, I think there's a lot of double meaning in his lyrics,

01:16:32.040 --> 01:16:32.620
to be honest with you.

01:16:32.880 --> 01:16:34.780
Especially... I have three of them here.

01:16:34.960 --> 01:16:35.700
They're short.

01:16:36.040 --> 01:16:39.280
And you might... They might say, oh, this is psychedelic gobbledygook.

01:16:39.440 --> 01:16:42.540
But then kind of take out the psychedelic and think of a

01:16:43.500 --> 01:16:44.620
inside their own head.

01:16:45.220 --> 01:16:47.960
Voodoo Child opens up with just an absolute killer.

01:16:48.300 --> 01:16:49.800
It's kind of his trooper.

01:16:50.080 --> 01:16:53.040
You know, the trooper's got that great opening verse.

01:16:53.460 --> 01:16:53.860
Well,

01:16:54.140 --> 01:16:58.580
this opens up, well, I stand up next to a mountain and I chop it down with the edge of my hand.

01:16:58.740 --> 01:17:04.700
You think, oh, it's just some psychedelic stuff. All right, now let's put it in some dude inside his head, battling something,

01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:07.260
you know, and how he's going to try to get through that.

01:17:07.760 --> 01:17:10.360
And when I went back and started listening to his lyrics,

01:17:10.680 --> 01:17:10.800
or,

01:17:11.020 --> 01:17:12.160
you know, listening and reading,

01:17:12.220 --> 01:17:13.340
I'm like,

01:17:14.020 --> 01:17:16.900
there's way more here than just him high as a kite.

01:17:17.070 --> 01:17:18.780
You know, like, oh, I got some cool stuff, man.

01:17:19.300 --> 01:17:20.360
I mean, Little Wing,

01:17:20.600 --> 01:17:24.560
while she's walking through the clouds with a circus mind that's running wild.

01:17:25.050 --> 01:17:26.020
I mean, you might say, okay,

01:17:26.620 --> 01:17:27.080
you know, more crap.

01:17:27.240 --> 01:17:30.580
But maybe he's talking about someone who's just kind of not right upstairs.

01:17:30.710 --> 01:17:31.080
I don't know.

01:17:31.200 --> 01:17:33.440
Maybe his lyrics are interpretive.

01:17:33.640 --> 01:17:34.840
There's no doubt about it.

01:17:35.480 --> 01:17:37.120
And I think that's what makes good lyrics.

01:17:38.240 --> 01:17:41.060
This is not, I'm bringing it out.

01:17:41.090 --> 01:17:41.520
I don't care.

01:17:41.660 --> 01:17:42.420
I haven't done it in a while.

01:17:42.680 --> 01:17:43.940
This isn't Steel Panther lyrics,

01:17:44.400 --> 01:17:44.500
okay?

01:17:46.200 --> 01:17:46.800
It's not.

01:17:48.300 --> 01:17:51.360
Okay? You know, I would also include in that, John,

01:17:52.520 --> 01:17:55.920
and I'm embarrassed to say I can't remember the name of the song right now, but I will come up with it very fast.

01:17:56.680 --> 01:18:00.700
But it was the opening song on Woodstock.

01:18:03.820 --> 01:18:04.780
Message to Love.

01:18:05.100 --> 01:18:09.760
Message to Love. And that has a whole verse on it where he's telling women,

01:18:10.040 --> 01:18:11.620
don't let guys

01:18:11.900 --> 01:18:16.120
tell you what to do you know like it is so forward thinking he's just sort of like you do

01:18:16.400 --> 01:18:20.140
something for yourself figure your own thing out and then come back and prove the man that you're

01:18:20.190 --> 01:18:25.220
better than them kind of thing and like he did a lot of weird forward thinking yeah i mean that's a lot of

01:18:25.270 --> 01:18:32.320
stuff to say in 1966 you know well my last one i'll say um and by the way tear i'm not disagreeing to

01:18:32.400 --> 01:18:37.740
disagree i i know what you're saying i just found i i found another avenue to those lyrics is what i'm

01:18:37.680 --> 01:18:37.840
I'm saying.

01:18:38.460 --> 01:18:39.640
Castles made of sand.

01:18:40.220 --> 01:18:40.900
The chorus alone.

01:18:41.540 --> 01:18:42.820
I mean, it sounds,

01:18:43.120 --> 01:18:43.240
again,

01:18:43.880 --> 01:18:46.800
like hippy-dippy, but then you realize it really says something.

01:18:47.100 --> 01:18:54.540
And so castles made of sand. And there's two choruses. He uses two words. The second line is melts into the sea eventually or slips into the sea eventually.

01:18:55.140 --> 01:19:06.540
And it kind of just puts it a little more perspective if you take out the hippie 60s part of it and just start thinking about everything at some point is going to have its downturn or its fall.

01:19:08.860 --> 01:19:09.920
Yeah. But it,

01:19:10.400 --> 01:19:10.720
you know,

01:19:11.100 --> 01:19:12.600
if you're thinking of him from that period,

01:19:13.680 --> 01:19:14.980
you're like, what is this crap?

01:19:15.220 --> 01:19:15.400
Yeah.

01:19:16.320 --> 01:19:16.840
But then,

01:19:17.100 --> 01:19:21.400
but then you step aside outside of it and try to be neutral. And you're like,

01:19:21.580 --> 01:19:24.900
this is kind of profound stuff considering not make it again,

01:19:25.400 --> 01:19:26.840
not saying he's going to want to pull it, sir,

01:19:27.480 --> 01:19:27.720
you know,

01:19:28.120 --> 01:19:28.400
but yeah,

01:19:28.800 --> 01:19:28.960
it's,

01:19:30.020 --> 01:19:34.300
it's done in such a way that it's so interpretive that you can go somebody different places.

01:19:34.660 --> 01:19:36.240
It's not cut and dry.

01:19:36.320 --> 01:19:40.560
And in a time when there were so many politically driven songs,

01:19:40.780 --> 01:19:44.940
I don't subscribe to rock music has always been political. That's BS.

01:19:45.320 --> 01:19:50.340
You've never listened to an early Zeppelin album because they weren't talking about politics.

01:19:52.480 --> 01:19:55.840
I mean, Whitesnake took their cues from Zeppelin.

01:19:57.400 --> 01:20:05.500
But this is kind of nice to not have all this political jargon in a song and to say, well, what is he getting at here?

01:20:05.540 --> 01:20:06.380
That's just my take

01:20:06.640 --> 01:20:06.940
Well,

01:20:07.140 --> 01:20:07.980
he hid that pretty good, though

01:20:08.060 --> 01:20:09.000
And that's how clear where he was

01:20:09.200 --> 01:20:10.200
Because House Burning Down

01:20:10.280 --> 01:20:11.740
Is about the Detroit riots after murder

01:20:11.780 --> 01:20:12.560
Sure, exactly

01:20:12.640 --> 01:20:13.320
That's my point

01:20:13.760 --> 01:20:15.100
But it's not blatant

01:20:15.320 --> 01:20:15.820
I don't think you

01:20:15.940 --> 01:20:17.040
And so I agree with you

01:20:17.080 --> 01:20:18.900
I think he was just really good at metaphor

01:20:19.920 --> 01:20:20.720
And I think

01:20:20.820 --> 01:20:21.900
I agree with everything John said

01:20:21.940 --> 01:20:23.240
You know, I get it

01:20:23.300 --> 01:20:24.220
Some of it's a little goofy

01:20:24.400 --> 01:20:24.900
You know what I mean?

01:20:24.940 --> 01:20:25.140
And,

01:20:25.400 --> 01:20:25.680
you know, like

01:20:25.740 --> 01:20:27.140
I'll go to Spanish Catch-all Magic

01:20:27.340 --> 01:20:28.140
Where he says, you know

01:20:29.600 --> 01:20:31.000
It takes about a half a day to get there

01:20:31.060 --> 01:20:32.300
If we travel by dragonfly

01:20:32.380 --> 01:20:32.860
I get it

01:20:32.880 --> 01:20:33.360
You know what I mean?

01:20:33.520 --> 01:20:33.620
Like,

01:20:33.800 --> 01:20:34.300
that's

01:20:34.300 --> 01:20:46.160
That's about as like, hey, I just smoked a joint as it gets. But there's really not that much of it. If you listen to things like 50th Anniversary or 20th Anniversary or whatever it is and stuff,

01:20:46.340 --> 01:20:49.340
or I was glad John mentioned Castles Made of Sand.

01:20:49.940 --> 01:21:02.240
So that's got these really nice several different verses about things passing and up to including this kid who's like an Indian and he wants to be a great warrior his whole life and he's looking for his first battle the night before.

01:21:02.410 --> 01:21:03.340
So he sneaks in and kills him.

01:21:03.580 --> 01:21:03.700
Yep.

01:21:04.100 --> 01:21:05.120
I mean, that's a great verse.

01:21:05.860 --> 01:21:06.800
And then he says,

01:21:07.300 --> 01:21:07.420
like,

01:21:07.700 --> 01:21:11.500
castles in the sand, you know? And that's, I do think that's really forward to thinking,

01:21:11.700 --> 01:21:15.180
like, to look at that and just go, I don't think he was about stuff.

01:21:15.370 --> 01:21:15.880
You know what I mean?

01:21:16.520 --> 01:21:20.200
I've always been a huge fan of the lyrics for The Wind Cries Mary.

01:21:21.160 --> 01:21:21.520
Absolutely.

01:21:21.740 --> 01:21:22.800
Oh, they're really good,

01:21:22.990 --> 01:21:23.080
actually,

01:21:23.260 --> 01:21:23.900
George. Yeah.

01:21:24.060 --> 01:21:24.480
I mean,

01:21:24.920 --> 01:21:25.180
this is,

01:21:25.700 --> 01:21:27.420
you could say that it's kind of hippy-dippy,

01:21:27.660 --> 01:21:29.020
but it's also really poetic.

01:21:30.120 --> 01:21:33.380
After all the jacks are in their boxes and the clowns have all gone to bed,

01:21:33.600 --> 01:21:36.240
You can hear happiness staggering on down the street,

01:21:36.420 --> 01:21:38.620
footprints dressed in red. I mean, that's beautiful.

01:21:39.280 --> 01:21:42.440
Well, tell me he was not trying to write a Bob Dylan song there, too. Yeah.

01:21:42.660 --> 01:21:42.760
Or,

01:21:43.340 --> 01:21:48.980
you know, a broom is drearily sweeping up the pieces of yesterday's, the broken pieces of yesterday's life. Come on. That's,

01:21:49.500 --> 01:21:50.760
you know, that's not,

01:21:51.210 --> 01:21:51.320
yo,

01:21:51.520 --> 01:21:51.800
I'm high.

01:21:51.960 --> 01:21:52.300
That's like,

01:21:53.340 --> 01:21:53.800
that's,

01:21:54.160 --> 01:21:58.380
that's really like thoughtful stuff there.

01:21:59.180 --> 01:21:59.760
I think,

01:21:59.960 --> 01:22:03.540
TR, I think you hit on something from a non-Hentany.

01:22:03.620 --> 01:22:10.560
Hendrix fan perspective that I think is kind of symptomatic of how people view Hendrix.

01:22:11.420 --> 01:22:14.700
The stuff that gets the most juice,

01:22:15.260 --> 01:22:19.260
the squeakiest wheels are all of the things that you don't like.

01:22:19.780 --> 01:22:21.920
And that's not an indictment on you.

01:22:22.100 --> 01:22:22.700
It's saying.

01:22:22.860 --> 01:22:23.860
It's a common experience.

01:22:24.220 --> 01:22:32.260
It's the commentary on how he's presented by everyone going forward that is probably not necessarily a big fan.

01:22:32.500 --> 01:22:33.520
They're going to hit,

01:22:33.580 --> 01:22:33.640
that,

01:22:33.920 --> 01:22:35.480
you know, excuse me while I kiss the sky.

01:22:35.860 --> 01:22:36.160
Yeah,

01:22:36.380 --> 01:22:37.280
look, that's a really cool thing.

01:22:37.480 --> 01:22:38.120
And Dragonflies.

01:22:38.400 --> 01:22:39.860
Yeah. And look how he burns his guitar.

01:22:40.420 --> 01:22:44.240
Did you know he put acid on his bandana and he wrapped his head? Did he went out and played?

01:22:44.840 --> 01:22:46.720
And that's all the stuff they focus on.

01:22:47.260 --> 01:22:47.400
Because,

01:22:48.180 --> 01:22:48.840
you know, if it leads,

01:22:49.260 --> 01:22:50.200
if it bleeds, it leads,

01:22:50.440 --> 01:22:50.560
right?

01:22:50.960 --> 01:22:53.220
And so that's... Alice Cooper had some good records, man.

01:22:53.780 --> 01:22:54.480
And I,

01:22:55.440 --> 01:22:56.720
which is to support you,

01:22:56.880 --> 01:23:01.580
John. Like, I agree with you. Like, it's the face on the cover of the record and it's that now we're stuck with it.

01:23:02.460 --> 01:23:02.580
You know,

01:23:02.800 --> 01:23:03.400
it's funny.

01:23:03.600 --> 01:23:10.100
because you've made me think and I really have thought this for some time but you reminded me that I do feel like Zeppelin,

01:23:10.440 --> 01:23:10.840
Pink Floyd,

01:23:11.000 --> 01:23:11.700
whatever,

01:23:12.080 --> 01:23:16.300
all these different bands that kind of... Jamie Hendrix kind of got left behind.

01:23:16.840 --> 01:23:22.400
You know, I don't think everybody who digs into the 60s or 70s goes, I gotta get a Hendrix record.

01:23:22.600 --> 01:23:23.080
He's, he's,

01:23:23.320 --> 01:23:24.520
it's like every fifth person.

01:23:25.700 --> 01:23:29.600
And to the point where the collectibles and all these different things, there's not,

01:23:29.820 --> 01:23:33.540
just as not as much. He's not as visible and I think it's because he's more of a musician's musician.

01:23:34.920 --> 01:23:40.680
I think you're right on the money there.

01:23:41.660 --> 01:23:43.620
And it's a shame, but I have a theory about

01:23:43.740 --> 01:23:46.480
Jimi Hendrix, and it's the same theory I had about George Jones.

01:23:47.460 --> 01:23:49.060
It's not a theory, but it was an experience.

01:23:49.320 --> 01:23:53.300
And it's just that I was listening to George Jones one time,

01:23:53.600 --> 01:23:58.980
and I used to always befuddle me. He had a couple songs I liked, and people were always like, he's the greatest country singer ever.

01:23:59.680 --> 01:24:00.940
And then one day,

01:24:01.360 --> 01:24:01.980
I was listening,

01:24:02.260 --> 01:24:03.560
some song came on, and it

01:24:03.600 --> 01:24:05.260
I broke my heart and I was like, oh,

01:24:05.600 --> 01:24:06.700
George Jones is the greatest.

01:24:08.600 --> 01:24:10.580
And then I heard everything he did.

01:24:10.820 --> 01:24:13.440
He stopped loving her today.

01:24:14.080 --> 01:24:14.520
Yeah,

01:24:14.980 --> 01:24:15.820
it wasn't that one,

01:24:15.980 --> 01:24:16.720
but yeah, exactly.

01:24:17.310 --> 01:24:18.140
But then I understood,

01:24:18.300 --> 01:24:22.320
oh, no, he's great. And then I heard everything. It changed the way everything he did sounded to me.

01:24:22.710 --> 01:24:32.960
And I kind of think there's a breaking point with Hendrix like that, where you got to get past the kind of weird way he sort of speaks instead of sings in the earlier recordings.

01:24:33.080 --> 01:25:03.060
I think you're right and I think that that's what's been like my hang-up and that's why I just haven't I don't know it feels like I just haven't broken through on this you know at some point it turns around and it becomes so beautiful I got it I got it for you TR I think this is the best example because we've all dealt with this it's the growling in your metal sure no think about it until you could get past that you you're like this is all crap I can't listen to this music and then

01:25:03.100 --> 01:25:03.200
Yeah.

01:25:03.690 --> 01:25:04.960
Then you finally get it and you're like,

01:25:05.980 --> 01:25:06.120
whoa,

01:25:06.900 --> 01:25:08.700
that's irrelevant now. Now I get the music,

01:25:09.480 --> 01:25:11.860
you know, and I think that that it's.

01:25:12.500 --> 01:25:15.660
And so I wasn't saying anything about you,

01:25:15.920 --> 01:25:23.020
how you view it. I get it because we've had the conversation before. It's just how it's the little bits you've gotten when you have seen it.

01:25:23.180 --> 01:25:25.100
It's they're always giving you the worst bits,

01:25:25.660 --> 01:25:26.040
not the worst,

01:25:26.420 --> 01:25:29.780
but the stuff that puts a negative picture,

01:25:30.040 --> 01:25:30.480
paints a negative,

01:25:30.760 --> 01:25:32.620
not negative, but something.

01:25:32.620 --> 01:25:33.340
Yeah,

01:25:33.660 --> 01:25:35.180
I mean, it just didn't speak to me.

01:25:35.740 --> 01:25:37.040
And I don't know,

01:25:37.200 --> 01:25:37.400
like,

01:25:37.900 --> 01:25:38.740
you know, like I said,

01:25:39.280 --> 01:25:43.440
I can hear all the stuff that went on to be the stuff that I'm into.

01:25:44.140 --> 01:25:44.280
Yeah.

01:25:44.800 --> 01:25:47.780
Right. I mean, if they promoted Band of Gypsies full-fledged,

01:25:47.940 --> 01:25:54.120
100%, I think more people would be into Hendrix. Like, oh, I can get this. I mean, not even that.

01:25:54.280 --> 01:25:54.360
Like,

01:25:54.520 --> 01:25:58.280
you listen to Stone Free, and it's like, that's an Oli Roth song.

01:25:58.880 --> 01:26:02.600
You know, like, the stuff he's doing on Stone Free

01:26:02.700 --> 01:26:03.120
I'm like,

01:26:03.620 --> 01:26:03.700
oh,

01:26:04.180 --> 01:26:06.060
Uli Roth totally ripped that off.

01:26:07.640 --> 01:26:08.480
Which, by the way,

01:26:08.640 --> 01:26:11.740
TR is, I think one of his, that's his earliest single.

01:26:12.110 --> 01:26:12.980
That was from 66.

01:26:13.280 --> 01:26:15.100
That was with the hate. That was the B side of hate Joe.

01:26:15.340 --> 01:26:17.100
So part of the problem is he,

01:26:17.450 --> 01:26:18.280
it was a punchline.

01:26:18.530 --> 01:26:22.860
So that's the, that's the perception has been taken. It's like every time there's a silly drug reference in a movie,

01:26:23.020 --> 01:26:23.100
it's.

01:26:25.000 --> 01:26:25.360
Yeah,

01:26:25.680 --> 01:26:26.060
that's true.

01:26:26.340 --> 01:26:27.420
Yeah. And that's what you get first.

01:26:27.640 --> 01:26:28.760
And so you just think,

01:26:29.020 --> 01:26:31.960
oh, it's this kind of like stereotypical,

01:26:32.340 --> 01:26:32.520
weird.

01:26:33.840 --> 01:26:35.520
And we're not talking about

01:26:37.280 --> 01:26:38.680
Blue Cheer or whatever.

01:26:39.860 --> 01:26:40.720
You could understand.

01:26:44.260 --> 01:26:47.320
I think it just requires

01:26:48.260 --> 01:26:50.420
a little more time and effort on my part

01:26:50.660 --> 01:26:52.680
to peel the onion back a little more.

01:26:53.000 --> 01:26:55.000
The sun might just need to shine through the window

01:26:55.090 --> 01:26:57.020
at the right time at 3 o'clock in the afternoon too,

01:26:57.180 --> 01:26:57.420
though, dude.

01:26:57.530 --> 01:26:58.500
Well, the other thing is,

01:26:59.310 --> 01:27:02.420
I have not listened to First Rays of the New Rising Sun either.

01:27:02.500 --> 01:27:06.580
So I think there's a little bit of like,

01:27:07.460 --> 01:27:07.860
I don't know,

01:27:08.220 --> 01:27:16.200
I think just more of this stuff needs to get in. I never really kind of listened to a lot of this just because it just,

01:27:16.360 --> 01:27:19.320
I didn't connect with it at all.

01:27:19.680 --> 01:27:20.460
Like other than like,

01:27:20.640 --> 01:27:21.580
yeah, the hits were great.

01:27:21.800 --> 01:27:22.280
And it's like,

01:27:22.460 --> 01:27:23.920
okay, this is cool music and everything.

01:27:24.260 --> 01:27:24.740
But like,

01:27:26.180 --> 01:27:29.740
and I could clearly understand this guy as a performer and like,

01:27:30.640 --> 01:27:32.360
you know, he's doing stuff nobody ever did.

01:27:32.520 --> 01:27:35.340
He's making sounds with the guitar nobody ever made.

01:27:36.360 --> 01:27:37.620
So I get all that,

01:27:38.060 --> 01:27:39.700
but it still didn't,

01:27:40.060 --> 01:27:41.540
like, I still just wasn't,

01:27:41.700 --> 01:27:41.800
like,

01:27:42.200 --> 01:27:43.040
pulled in on it.

01:27:44.160 --> 01:27:44.560
Sure.

01:27:45.220 --> 01:27:49.180
I mean, we've all got that, but I think because you've got a musical mind,

01:27:49.400 --> 01:27:52.220
eventually it will. And it might not be for 20 years, but you're going to be like, oh,

01:27:52.440 --> 01:27:53.100
shit, now I got it.

01:27:54.820 --> 01:27:55.220
Yeah.

01:27:55.840 --> 01:27:57.200
Maybe so. You just mentioned,

01:27:58.520 --> 01:27:59.020
for the multiple,

01:27:59.400 --> 01:28:01.320
many times we've mentioned,

01:28:01.600 --> 01:28:02.460
first raise of the new ride,

01:28:02.500 --> 01:28:06.600
And so we're going to talk now about where could this all have gone?

01:28:07.940 --> 01:28:19.440
And I'm glad you mentioned First Race United Sun for one reason quickly, which is honestly, if I was going to tell somebody to get into him, didn't quite get him, I would say get that record first because it doesn't have any of the tropes of the earlier records.

01:28:20.200 --> 01:28:22.400
And I don't think of them as tropes. It's just the thing.

01:28:22.680 --> 01:28:26.760
It's the razor wire people get caught on trying to storm the Jimi Hendrix beach.

01:28:26.980 --> 01:28:31.120
You know what I mean? Like you got to, and none of that stuff is in First Race.

01:28:31.760 --> 01:28:37.160
But I think there will be some good opinions about this, about what would he have done?

01:28:38.660 --> 01:28:40.320
What could he have accomplished?

01:28:40.560 --> 01:28:43.700
What were maybe some of the most logical next steps he was going to take?

01:28:44.220 --> 01:28:53.120
Because I do think he would have had a long and deeply fruitful musical career. I'm not sure it would always have been financially huge,

01:28:53.300 --> 01:28:57.760
but I do think he was such a dedicated guitar player.

01:28:58.860 --> 01:29:01.340
Just like I'm sure we all know,

01:29:01.760 --> 01:29:03.420
Stevie Ray Vaughan was not going to stop Tura.

01:29:03.610 --> 01:29:06.960
You know what I mean? And I think Jimmy had built his own studio.

01:29:07.290 --> 01:29:11.220
He had a studio in New York that he owned, could go in and use anytime he wanted to.

01:29:11.400 --> 01:29:16.040
And that meant something to him. And I think he would have used the living daylights out of it for the next 10 years.

01:29:16.500 --> 01:29:16.860
Yeah.

01:29:17.400 --> 01:29:21.060
Well, I think he kind of would have been like Prince in that way, right? Like, I mean,

01:29:21.300 --> 01:29:23.000
Prince. Oh, that's a good comparison. That is.

01:29:23.540 --> 01:29:27.880
Honestly spent hours and was a perfectionist in the studio.

01:29:28.070 --> 01:29:30.060
Like when I'm reading all this stuff about Hendrix,

01:29:30.230 --> 01:29:31.700
about how he was a perfectionist,

01:29:31.840 --> 01:30:01.720
and how he spent like days in the studio and they're like dude you could have bought your own studio by now and then they actually did they went and said look let's buy this studio or create this studio so you don't like you don't go broke yeah um it just it reminded me of prince because it sounded like oh yeah well this is like what prince was doing like he that's a good that's a wonderful comparison imagine those two guys getting together you know what they probably well they've

01:30:01.740 --> 01:30:31.720
Very could have well have could have yeah I mean I you know because he would have been interesting I do think by the 80s or 90s he would have been you know I don't think he ever would have stopped performing that do but I think he would have occupied like a Clapton-esque place in the musical society where people like yeah well I'm afraid to go say hi to him kind of thing you know at the bar when it's some new musician um well the best evidence we have of the last musical direction was um the

01:30:31.760 --> 01:31:01.720
Rising Sun album and Band of Gypsies I think is kind of needs to be included but I include that because I think that is the collaboration thing I think he would have always had a kind of weird Band of Gypsies thing going off on the side while he was also just pursuing making his own records that's kind of a thing I see that might have happened I think he would have had some of the big hits of the 70s along the lines of like just some hard rock song like you know that you

01:31:01.740 --> 01:31:04.960
that we would all refer back to over and over and over again.

01:31:05.170 --> 01:31:07.600
And I mean, like radio hits, I think it would add some of that.

01:31:08.280 --> 01:31:10.440
I kind of wonder,

01:31:10.680 --> 01:31:10.820
though,

01:31:11.280 --> 01:31:12.620
you know, he died so young.

01:31:13.240 --> 01:31:13.300
Yeah.

01:31:14.300 --> 01:31:18.660
Would there have been like kind of cringey stuff like disco?

01:31:18.960 --> 01:31:20.320
Would he have had a disco album?

01:31:20.690 --> 01:31:23.780
You know, like would he have done something like that where it's just like,

01:31:23.940 --> 01:31:24.080
oh,

01:31:24.300 --> 01:31:24.480
dude,

01:31:24.650 --> 01:31:26.520
you know, like you look back on it and you're like,

01:31:26.700 --> 01:31:31.720
oh, man, I can't believe he might have just like Kiss. You know, they made like some of these albums where you're

01:31:31.760 --> 01:31:33.740
You're like, oh my god, I can't believe they did that.

01:31:34.380 --> 01:31:35.540
Like, would he have done that?

01:31:35.700 --> 01:31:38.760
Like, I kind of wonder. I think he might have been above it. I think he might have been like,

01:31:38.940 --> 01:31:43.340
because I think he took a lot of heart and understanding soulless things and like going,

01:31:43.520 --> 01:31:43.720
oh man,

01:31:43.880 --> 01:31:48.660
that guy, you're not living from your heart, buddy. So I don't know if he would have done that. That boy lives in his heart.

01:31:50.700 --> 01:31:53.540
That's an awful big place for a boy like that to live.

01:31:55.600 --> 01:31:57.280
I don't know. That's a good question.

01:31:57.560 --> 01:31:58.520
But I mean,

01:31:58.800 --> 01:32:01.480
you know, a lot, there's not, the 60s guys,

01:32:01.580 --> 01:32:03.460
All had some embarrassments in the 80s. Let's put it that way.

01:32:04.180 --> 01:32:04.420
Yes.

01:32:04.980 --> 01:32:07.880
And I kind of wonder if that would have happened to him somehow.

01:32:08.360 --> 01:32:11.420
In other words, there was so much drugs.

01:32:12.720 --> 01:32:24.340
And drugs had a very large impact in so many of those guys where they got to such a low point.

01:32:24.500 --> 01:32:30.780
And Clapton's a good example where he put out these albums and it's just like, dude, you've got to clean yourself up.

01:32:31.400 --> 01:32:36.780
It's just like Aerosmith and all these other bands where they just like, they were so drugged out.

01:32:37.860 --> 01:32:38.200
And, and,

01:32:38.500 --> 01:32:38.780
you know,

01:32:39.800 --> 01:32:41.740
Elvis never even recovered from that.

01:32:42.400 --> 01:32:43.380
He died.

01:32:43.940 --> 01:32:45.040
And so it's like,

01:32:45.260 --> 01:32:45.480
okay,

01:32:45.900 --> 01:32:49.520
would he have been able to have the wherewithal to get through the whole drug thing,

01:32:49.800 --> 01:32:55.020
clean himself up and then have kind of a second chapter like Clapton did where,

01:32:56.020 --> 01:33:00.500
you know, he comes back and it's like, oh my God, he's back. And look, listen to this guy.

01:33:00.860 --> 01:33:03.200
And we missed him, and here he is.

01:33:03.700 --> 01:33:08.500
I kind of wonder if that would have been the arc that he would have followed.

01:33:08.900 --> 01:33:11.240
It's a very fair and valid question.

01:33:11.860 --> 01:33:18.420
I think he overdosed the way he did because he didn't have a lot of experience with the drugs that he took at that time.

01:33:19.280 --> 01:33:20.940
So I don't know that he was a deep, deep addict,

01:33:21.240 --> 01:33:23.280
but it was 70,

01:33:23.510 --> 01:33:25.040
and everybody was in trouble in 75,

01:33:25.250 --> 01:33:28.440
so I don't know that he wouldn't have gotten into cocaine and all that stuff.

01:33:29.740 --> 01:33:30.500
I don't know.

01:33:31.360 --> 01:33:54.120
I think I mentioned when we were talking about this a couple weeks ago that I think he might have had a Jeff Beck like I think a Jeff Beck like existence might have worked for him kind of outside a little bit sometimes some of his records would come out on labels that famously put out guitar player records you know what I mean and no chance or even hope of it being on the radio like that's not why he did it.

01:33:54.420 --> 01:33:56.000
Jimi Hendrix on shrapnel records.

01:33:59.320 --> 01:33:59.800
Exactly.

01:34:00.540 --> 01:34:05.540
But I don't know. The best evidence we have is the last things he did. And I think

01:34:06.500 --> 01:34:08.040
it's sort of embracing the kind of

01:34:08.580 --> 01:34:09.960
funky groove of Band of Gypsies

01:34:10.080 --> 01:34:11.620
that he would have done some stuff like that.

01:34:12.520 --> 01:34:14.220
And I have one other theory that I'll share quickly.

01:34:14.300 --> 01:34:16.280
And then Rising Sun, I think

01:34:16.280 --> 01:34:17.720
he would have had this really bright

01:34:18.580 --> 01:34:20.180
slightly more organized, not

01:34:20.320 --> 01:34:20.760
wandering,

01:34:21.560 --> 01:34:22.160
70s hard rock

01:34:22.440 --> 01:34:22.580
career.

01:34:23.280 --> 01:34:24.340
And then finally

01:34:24.540 --> 01:34:26.100
there's a part of me that thinks

01:34:26.660 --> 01:34:28.200
he might have got caught up in

01:34:29.460 --> 01:34:39.920
the funkadelic stuff and also the big movement in the 70s of black artists with a huge focus on Africa.

01:34:40.200 --> 01:34:51.680
Like there's this African vein that runs through James Brown's 70s records where he's wearing they're literally called things like Africa and he goes and he might have done something like that.

01:34:51.880 --> 01:34:58.000
Hard to say. I mean, I think he thought of it as an every man's man and he was happy to sort of be like, well, none of us are any.

01:34:58.220 --> 01:35:00.380
other man you know what i mean so i don't know if he would have done that but

01:35:01.000 --> 01:35:05.780
yeah or like you said like maybe he would have hooked up with george clinton or you know it's like

01:35:05.900 --> 01:35:11.600
it's hard to say like you know what kind of collaborations might have taken place because i'm sure he was

01:35:11.920 --> 01:35:19.520
kind of always looking for things and people like oh that's a cool sound i want to kind of get into that

01:35:19.920 --> 01:35:26.100
and so who knows who he would have collaborated with so i'm doing to get anything you think that you

01:35:26.060 --> 01:35:26.740
I knew about his future.

01:35:28.640 --> 01:35:30.720
Do you want to go, George? I'll go after you.

01:35:31.560 --> 01:35:32.000
Oh,

01:35:32.320 --> 01:35:33.040
you know,

01:35:33.200 --> 01:35:35.180
I was thinking like, you know,

01:35:35.680 --> 01:35:40.780
would he have gotten into anything that was more hard rock based? And it seems unlikely,

01:35:41.480 --> 01:35:47.120
but some of the 70s hard rock guitar players were pretty good. You know, I mean,

01:35:47.560 --> 01:35:48.200
they're all right.

01:35:48.740 --> 01:35:48.880
But,

01:35:49.920 --> 01:35:56.000
you know, it might have been something that might have at least tickled a passing

01:35:56.040 --> 01:35:56.800
Fancy from him.

01:35:57.200 --> 01:35:57.380
Obviously,

01:35:57.640 --> 01:35:59.640
Jimmy Page kind of overlapped with him a little bit.

01:36:00.920 --> 01:36:02.180
And I don't know of any,

01:36:02.470 --> 01:36:02.600
like,

01:36:02.900 --> 01:36:03.320
connection there.

01:36:03.790 --> 01:36:05.060
And I kind of doubt that,

01:36:05.380 --> 01:36:09.360
like, he would have been into Black Sabbath or any of the Tony Iommi kind of stuff.

01:36:09.520 --> 01:36:11.580
It's probably not his bag man.

01:36:12.110 --> 01:36:12.240
But,

01:36:13.590 --> 01:36:16.320
like, you know, Eddie Van Halen or,

01:36:16.620 --> 01:36:18.860
you know,

01:36:19.100 --> 01:36:20.320
Brian May,

01:36:20.680 --> 01:36:23.020
Alex Lifeson, you know, these guys,

01:36:23.300 --> 01:36:24.800
even,

01:36:25.010 --> 01:36:25.160
like,

01:36:25.380 --> 01:36:25.840
Angus Young.

01:36:26.840 --> 01:36:27.280
who,

01:36:27.640 --> 01:36:28.300
not technical,

01:36:28.960 --> 01:36:34.460
but had a very important blues-based,

01:36:34.660 --> 01:36:36.120
harder-rocking kind of sound,

01:36:36.280 --> 01:36:37.640
he might have been like, oh,

01:36:37.800 --> 01:36:37.960
man,

01:36:38.120 --> 01:36:38.440
you know.

01:36:39.460 --> 01:36:41.640
Yeah, I've been missing something here. That's cool.

01:36:42.000 --> 01:36:43.740
Yeah, he could have gotten into that. Yeah,

01:36:43.960 --> 01:36:44.840
that's a good point, George.

01:36:45.300 --> 01:36:56.000
And, you know, it's interesting to think about what Hendrix would have thought of the people that got influenced by

01:36:56.040 --> 01:37:02.140
I was just going to say an infinite feedback loop of I influenced you, you influenced me, I influenced you back. Oh my God,

01:37:02.440 --> 01:37:04.940
yeah, right. It's like, oh my mind is blowing up. But like,

01:37:05.260 --> 01:37:06.740
you know, we never got to,

01:37:07.390 --> 01:37:08.960
we really never got to see that,

01:37:09.160 --> 01:37:10.740
right? Because he died so young.

01:37:11.040 --> 01:37:11.860
It's like he had to,

01:37:12.020 --> 01:37:14.340
otherwise this would have happened. It would have been the end of the world.

01:37:14.940 --> 01:37:15.200
I mean,

01:37:15.440 --> 01:37:16.420
there wasn't anybody else like,

01:37:16.800 --> 01:37:18.620
there was Clown, but nobody,

01:37:18.920 --> 01:37:20.360
he was the Eddie Van Halen of that time.

01:37:20.900 --> 01:37:21.000
Yes.

01:37:22.140 --> 01:37:25.520
And I think of them as the two weird geniuses that,

01:37:26.420 --> 01:37:27.800
watched people play guitar,

01:37:28.160 --> 01:37:29.780
somehow learned to play by watching them,

01:37:30.000 --> 01:37:31.960
and just knew where to touch the neck at any time.

01:37:33.200 --> 01:37:36.360
And it wasn't all founded in musical theory.

01:37:36.980 --> 01:37:38.920
I have a third guy to add to that.

01:37:39.660 --> 01:37:40.100
George,

01:37:40.260 --> 01:37:41.300
were you done with your part?

01:37:41.480 --> 01:37:41.720
Yeah, yeah,

01:37:41.920 --> 01:37:41.980
yeah,

01:37:42.160 --> 01:37:42.420
go ahead.

01:37:42.980 --> 01:37:48.380
So, I haven't heard anyone mention it yet, so I'll add a different avenue.

01:37:48.760 --> 01:37:56.000
See, I think he would have further gone down the band of gypsies avenue and gotten into

01:37:56.920 --> 01:37:58.960
not so much funkadelic,

01:37:59.340 --> 01:38:00.940
but funk rock in itself.

01:38:01.120 --> 01:38:07.760
But I also think he would have started to get influenced by the jazz rock fusion guys because there's more exploration there.

01:38:08.400 --> 01:38:13.300
And I kind of see him hooking up with Jeff Beck more.

01:38:13.820 --> 01:38:14.220
Yeah,

01:38:14.540 --> 01:38:18.740
because Jeff Beck was huge and popular. And then all of a sudden he decided,

01:38:18.980 --> 01:38:21.620
I'm going over here and it's not popular.

01:38:22.100 --> 01:38:22.660
You know,

01:38:22.860 --> 01:38:25.040
so John, I think more than any other vision,

01:38:25.220 --> 01:38:25.880
that's the one I believe.

01:38:26.040 --> 01:38:26.640
Yeah.

01:38:26.890 --> 01:38:32.140
And I just feel like he would gravitate, because Beck just played to his own.

01:38:32.860 --> 01:38:33.300
Yeah.

01:38:33.620 --> 01:38:35.440
So he was a, you know,

01:38:35.740 --> 01:38:36.800
a drummer statement,

01:38:36.960 --> 01:38:38.620
played to his own beat, his own drum.

01:38:39.540 --> 01:38:42.300
And I just feel like he would have gravitated towards that.

01:38:42.450 --> 01:38:42.880
And so.

01:38:43.620 --> 01:38:46.260
They would have wanted to just keep exploring his guitar and he didn't care he listened.

01:38:46.500 --> 01:38:51.500
Right. I think he would have suffered in the 80s. I don't think that the sounds of the 80s,

01:38:51.890 --> 01:38:52.480
the synth,

01:38:52.840 --> 01:38:55.060
the gated sound would appeal to him.

01:38:55.540 --> 01:38:55.640
Yeah.

01:38:55.720 --> 01:38:58.640
I almost feel like he would do the opposite.

01:38:58.860 --> 01:38:59.780
Maybe I'm wrong about that.

01:39:00.000 --> 01:39:01.680
He would have gone completely old school.

01:39:02.020 --> 01:39:11.100
I don't know if he would have had Eric Clapton's resurgence in the 80s with Behind the Sun, you know, where he was writing pop songs,

01:39:11.260 --> 01:39:12.400
but they were bluesy,

01:39:13.340 --> 01:39:14.360
but they were radio friendly.

01:39:15.380 --> 01:39:17.200
No, he wasn't a lay down Sally guy.

01:39:17.660 --> 01:39:20.600
He had a string with three albums in the 80s that were massive.

01:39:20.930 --> 01:39:25.020
I don't know if Hendrix would have done that because I don't know.

01:39:25.080 --> 01:39:25.100
Well,

01:39:25.610 --> 01:39:25.740
see,

01:39:25.940 --> 01:39:26.400
that's the thing.

01:39:30.940 --> 01:39:39.820
He's the only one that could have probably innovated his way out of that to the point where it's like we can't even imagine what he would have done.

01:39:40.360 --> 01:39:43.940
That would have been so... He did like technology.

01:39:44.420 --> 01:39:51.580
He did, but I could see him recoiling against that kind of technology and going all acoustic for like six or seven years.

01:39:51.880 --> 01:39:55.040
Or would he go and be like,

01:39:55.100 --> 01:39:55.320
Prince,

01:39:56.180 --> 01:39:56.900
going back to Prince,

01:39:57.080 --> 01:40:07.560
and be so far ahead of everything that the majority of what he did at the end of his life was just like, people are just shrugging and going, I don't know what to do with this.

01:40:08.240 --> 01:40:09.260
Yeah, I don't know either.

01:40:09.440 --> 01:40:10.420
Well, that's possible.

01:40:10.890 --> 01:40:11.000
Yeah,

01:40:11.200 --> 01:40:11.280
like,

01:40:11.540 --> 01:40:11.780
it's just,

01:40:12.120 --> 01:40:13.960
you know, it didn't register until later,

01:40:14.200 --> 01:40:17.960
and then it's like, oh yeah, he was so far ahead of his time, we didn't get it at the time.

01:40:18.600 --> 01:40:20.420
John's theory is my favorite,

01:40:20.620 --> 01:40:20.700
though,

01:40:20.860 --> 01:40:24.560
and I do think, because in the Electric Lady Land,

01:40:25.060 --> 01:40:27.660
They do talk about how he really liked some jazzy elements.

01:40:28.330 --> 01:40:28.420
Which,

01:40:28.580 --> 01:40:37.420
by the way, he went on Rainy Day and those songs on there. He went and found, there was some jazz band he said, you guys come down and play on my record. So that's a whole other band playing those songs.

01:40:39.580 --> 01:40:41.280
And he liked riffing on top of that.

01:40:41.960 --> 01:40:44.900
I could have seen them at least having a fusion period.

01:40:45.430 --> 01:40:46.020
At least.

01:40:46.700 --> 01:40:52.920
Which is more or less what you guys are saying anyway, which is he would have gone somewhere where a lot of people were like, I kind of don't really get Hendrix anymore.

01:40:54.600 --> 01:40:54.980
Well,

01:40:55.180 --> 01:40:55.360
maybe,

01:40:55.620 --> 01:40:55.780
yeah.

01:40:55.970 --> 01:41:05.380
I mean, would he be like hooked up with like Chick Corea and John McLaughlin and Aldi Miola or something like John Luke Pani or something like the, you know,

01:41:05.640 --> 01:41:07.040
just jamming with those dudes?

01:41:07.260 --> 01:41:07.440
Maybe.

01:41:07.970 --> 01:41:08.620
I can see that.

01:41:08.950 --> 01:41:09.440
He was capable.

01:41:09.710 --> 01:41:09.960
I mean,

01:41:10.120 --> 01:41:12.460
there's stuff. I talk about some of these live shows.

01:41:12.950 --> 01:41:15.960
It wasn't always just dive bombs and cool blues licks. I mean,

01:41:16.480 --> 01:41:22.880
he played some weird Spanish style runs and stuff in all kinds of different stuff. He knew what he was doing. He was good.

01:41:23.050 --> 01:41:24.560
And he was aware of different things.

01:41:27.340 --> 01:41:54.580
I just think my last on this part is I just think he would have probably embraced the unknown or the lesser known avenues and players not that Jeff Beck was lesser known but let's be honest he wasn't followed like the 70s hard rock guitarists were not by a long time he just got by a million miles I mean Eric Clapton was way more famous than him and Jeff Beck was

01:41:54.580 --> 01:41:55.840
way better player than him.

01:41:56.540 --> 01:41:58.220
And I'm not disparaging Eric Clapton.

01:41:58.500 --> 01:42:02.620
It's just... Beck was light years like he had been handling everybody else.

01:42:02.800 --> 01:42:08.640
But he just kept moving forward on his playing. He didn't stay in his lane all the time.

01:42:08.920 --> 01:42:10.020
Just ask Jimmy Page.

01:42:10.560 --> 01:42:11.820
They all looked up to him.

01:42:12.160 --> 01:42:19.700
Yeah. And I think they all would have looked up to Hendricks. I don't know. Who knows? I mean, we got robbed of seeing him play with Steve Ray Vaughn.

01:42:20.660 --> 01:42:21.620
Wouldn't that have been cool?

01:42:22.200 --> 01:42:22.640
Yeah.

01:42:23.480 --> 01:42:24.560
Whether you like...

01:42:24.580 --> 01:42:25.940
You know that would have happened. I mean,

01:42:26.100 --> 01:42:30.220
there's no doubt that would have happened. Go back and listen to Steve Ray Vaughan now.

01:42:30.800 --> 01:42:34.200
And you hear every guitarist that influenced him in his music.

01:42:34.390 --> 01:42:37.760
And he has, he had zero qualms saying, yeah,

01:42:38.010 --> 01:42:39.180
I was influenced by that.

01:42:40.150 --> 01:42:40.280
So.

01:42:42.580 --> 01:42:44.560
Let's, if I may,

01:42:45.070 --> 01:42:47.460
so we can be respectful of a time limit here.

01:42:48.330 --> 01:42:49.980
Thought it was a nice way to finish this.

01:42:51.020 --> 01:42:51.460
Well,

01:42:51.780 --> 01:42:53.300
two things. I want to say two things.

01:42:53.480 --> 01:42:53.920
One, we,

01:42:54.600 --> 01:42:55.980
We've talked about this for a while,

01:42:56.260 --> 01:42:57.840
and I don't feel like we've scratched the surface.

01:42:58.060 --> 01:43:02.280
So, you know, dig your hands into some of this stuff.

01:43:03.240 --> 01:43:04.420
Put your headphones on.

01:43:04.780 --> 01:43:05.820
Listen to some of these things.

01:43:06.380 --> 01:43:07.560
Read a book. Watch a documentary.

01:43:08.140 --> 01:43:22.640
To that end, I thought we could make a few suggestions of things that we thought people who wanted to go a little further or even just get started might do. And so I'm going to suggest any documentary that looks to be of quality, I think you should check out.

01:43:22.820 --> 01:43:24.540
John mentioned these ones that are attached.

01:43:24.640 --> 01:43:52.500
to these remasters that came out i think it was in 2010 he said um i bet you you could find those on youtube probably i'm guessing you can yeah everything's jacked right and put up there i'm going to suggest a fairly recent documentary came out that's called um electric ladyland a vision i think it's called and it's about the building of the studio of electric ladyland but that was hendrix studio it's all about hendrix it's all about the studio it was all about his vision for music

01:43:54.160 --> 01:43:55.340
How He Built the Studio,

01:43:55.600 --> 01:43:56.000
blah, blah, blah.

01:43:56.220 --> 01:43:57.320
I would suggest that.

01:43:57.720 --> 01:44:05.000
There's also very good documentaries on the album Electric Ladyland that you can watch on YouTube that are about an hour long.

01:44:06.060 --> 01:44:14.900
I'm going to suggest that you get live at Monterey and experience what all the teenagers in the United States experienced for their first time that night.

01:44:15.560 --> 01:44:19.380
I just don't think you can do much better than the Woodstock show.

01:44:19.590 --> 01:44:21.280
It was Jimmy at the height of his powers,

01:44:21.780 --> 01:44:22.480
and it's

01:44:22.520 --> 01:44:25.480
It's a pretty long show and it kind of covers all the bases.

01:44:26.320 --> 01:44:29.140
It does some amazing improvisation on that so you can hear the plane.

01:44:30.200 --> 01:44:33.760
And then I'm going to, this is too easy, it's too broad, I'm taking away everybody else's suggestions,

01:44:34.000 --> 01:44:35.260
but get those studio records,

01:44:35.640 --> 01:44:41.040
everything up through Rays of the New Rising Sun and listen to them in the set of headphones.

01:44:42.480 --> 01:44:43.820
Preferably back to back to back.

01:44:44.740 --> 01:44:45.540
Any suggestions,

01:44:45.740 --> 01:44:45.900
folks?

01:44:46.420 --> 01:44:49.320
And maybe it's just one of those records or something, I don't know.

01:44:49.620 --> 01:44:52.480
I would suggest you just rewind what Jay said and then listen to them.

01:44:52.560 --> 01:44:53.500
Listen to him say it again.

01:44:53.840 --> 01:44:54.800
That's what you should do.

01:44:56.680 --> 01:44:57.120
Because,

01:44:57.380 --> 01:44:57.800
you know,

01:44:57.980 --> 01:44:58.220
I mean,

01:44:58.400 --> 01:44:58.780
personally,

01:44:58.980 --> 01:44:59.220
you know,

01:44:59.420 --> 01:45:03.120
as I said earlier, I kind of focus mainly on the three albums.

01:45:04.360 --> 01:45:12.520
So I haven't gone nearly as far down the rabbit hole as Jay and John have.

01:45:13.280 --> 01:45:14.860
But there's a lot in those three records,

01:45:15.060 --> 01:45:15.140
George.

01:45:15.600 --> 01:45:15.720
Yeah,

01:45:16.000 --> 01:45:16.640
yeah. But I mean,

01:45:16.980 --> 01:45:17.380
you know,

01:45:17.640 --> 01:45:19.520
there's so I mean,

01:45:19.840 --> 01:45:22.420
there is a lot of stuff out there, but there's at the same time,

01:45:22.500 --> 01:45:23.300
there is so little.

01:45:24.040 --> 01:45:26.040
Just suck it all up.

01:45:26.240 --> 01:45:27.220
Just take it all in.

01:45:28.000 --> 01:45:31.820
You know? I would say, you know what, to that end? Get several live shows.

01:45:32.200 --> 01:45:33.160
Start at the beginning.

01:45:33.340 --> 01:45:34.700
Several versions of Machine Gun.

01:45:34.980 --> 01:45:36.660
Listen to the core.

01:45:37.880 --> 01:45:39.800
See what it's about.

01:45:40.240 --> 01:45:47.980
And then branch out to the deep end and the live shows and all that stuff.

01:45:48.940 --> 01:45:52.460
Yeah, there's so much out there right now that

01:45:52.480 --> 01:45:56.860
It's weird because there's always been this debate about whether the Hendrix family should release stuff.

01:45:58.200 --> 01:46:00.640
But we've gotten some serious gems.

01:46:01.160 --> 01:46:07.380
I mean, I haven't even got all my stuff ripped on it because I had it all on CD. I just listened to it then.

01:46:08.310 --> 01:46:14.920
Since we started talking about this, I was like, oh, I got to get this stuff back out on my 10 bazillion byte drive.

01:46:15.600 --> 01:46:16.860
In case anything happens,

01:46:17.040 --> 01:46:17.520
I have that.

01:46:18.780 --> 01:46:19.760
My suggestion,

01:46:19.980 --> 01:46:21.040
these are all great suggestions,

01:46:21.380 --> 01:46:22.360
I would really,

01:46:22.500 --> 01:46:52.460
I would suggest finding something where there's multiple shows because he did a lot of you know first set second set which is kind of okay was it really just a long show and it had two sets kind of like when we saw Rush no it was probably one of these deals where he played it like what seven seven early there's like an hour in between and then they play a late show then and because of that he was able to play songs from both sets both times but then

01:46:52.500 --> 01:46:56.760
and he changed them how he did it and he changed the order and i would suggest

01:46:57.739 --> 01:47:04.360
grabbing something like winterland or live at winterland is like six shows in that and just kind of

01:47:05.620 --> 01:47:11.620
slowly working through and also without question the band of gypsies which is the new year's eve new

01:47:11.640 --> 01:47:21.480
year's day shows in the film or east 69 70 there they he plays a lot of the same songs in all four sets

01:47:21.480 --> 01:47:22.580
but they're all different.

01:47:23.820 --> 01:47:24.600
They're placed in different.

01:47:25.880 --> 01:47:29.100
Staging them on the set list changes how you hear the song.

01:47:29.800 --> 01:47:30.420
I mean,

01:47:30.580 --> 01:47:37.820
we just saw Rush, just to give an idea, and they opened with one of their progress longest songs to start the show.

01:47:38.580 --> 01:47:40.660
Never in a million years would I have thought that they would have done that.

01:47:41.080 --> 01:47:44.260
He would do that. He played Machine Gun early in the set,

01:47:44.450 --> 01:47:46.280
or he'd play it late in the middle,

01:47:46.690 --> 01:47:49.080
and it changes your perception of how the song is.

01:47:49.820 --> 01:47:51.460
So I would suggest

01:47:51.640 --> 01:47:52.860
All from I mean,

01:47:53.100 --> 01:47:59.840
everyone's made great suggestions for I'm just pushing the live shows Jay's mentioned Berkeley you can't go wrong with any of these live shows Woodstock,

01:48:01.460 --> 01:48:21.460
Isle of Wright they're all they all give you something so there's an interesting thing here that we didn't touch on and I think partially to keep negativity out of it but he is one of those musicians and there aren't that many that come off the top of my head but who has had a lot more released posthumously than was released during his career

01:48:22.080 --> 01:48:25.040
But that's testament to how often he wanted to record,

01:48:25.320 --> 01:48:26.500
how many shows he played,

01:48:26.700 --> 01:48:27.420
the way he did things,

01:48:27.580 --> 01:48:31.460
the way people were smart enough to record his shows and all this different stuff, and a lot of studio stuff.

01:48:31.880 --> 01:48:38.300
But the negative part is that his estate was controlled by his dad for a long time, and his dad, I think, was kind of a money grabber.

01:48:38.500 --> 01:48:40.920
So he kind of flooded the system for a while.

01:48:41.120 --> 01:48:48.460
But as John said, it's fine. It was a double-edged sword because he accidentally released a whole bunch of really good stuff, and there's probably not that much of his junk.

01:48:51.500 --> 01:48:55.860
a confusing catalog to jump into because they're constantly releasing stuff.

01:48:57.540 --> 01:48:58.380
But, you know,

01:48:58.560 --> 01:48:59.300
like I said, I think so.

01:48:59.460 --> 01:49:03.440
I think John and George mixed together is right.

01:49:03.700 --> 01:49:06.300
Start at the core and then get to the deep end a little bit.

01:49:06.500 --> 01:49:07.900
And if it's a famous show,

01:49:08.160 --> 01:49:08.980
it's probably pretty good.

01:49:09.090 --> 01:49:09.560
Try that.

01:49:10.560 --> 01:49:11.280
Meaning Woodstock,

01:49:11.840 --> 01:49:12.260
Monterey,

01:49:12.500 --> 01:49:13.440
so on and so forth, Isla White.

01:49:13.820 --> 01:49:14.840
John's mentioned a couple of times.

01:49:16.000 --> 01:49:19.560
And then the real fun can start after that because that's when you can go,

01:49:19.700 --> 01:49:22.060
I'm going to listen to these five shows that I've never heard of.

01:49:22.260 --> 01:49:32.600
And you will be surprised at how different and creative each of them is. The basis of the song will be the same, but the man knew more notes than his guitar seemed to contain.

01:49:32.760 --> 01:49:33.440
I don't know how he did it,

01:49:33.640 --> 01:49:33.940
but he did.

01:49:34.400 --> 01:49:37.360
You know, George mentioned earlier,

01:49:37.660 --> 01:49:38.800
he mentioned The Dead.

01:49:39.820 --> 01:49:44.580
I almost feel like outside of Axis, Baldest, Love, which I do listen to still all the time,

01:49:44.740 --> 01:49:48.480
I almost feel like he's like The Dead a little bit with his live shows.

01:49:48.580 --> 01:49:51.020
I know dead fans that don't listen to the albums.

01:49:51.740 --> 01:49:53.460
They only listen to the live shows.

01:49:53.840 --> 01:49:54.000
Yeah.

01:49:54.460 --> 01:49:56.480
Because whether you like the dead or not,

01:49:57.040 --> 01:49:58.460
and I've seen them one time,

01:49:58.700 --> 01:50:04.400
it's a whole different ball of wax than the albums. And you don't know what you're getting every night.

01:50:04.840 --> 01:50:06.400
I feel that way with his live shows.

01:50:06.740 --> 01:50:07.060
Yeah.

01:50:07.420 --> 01:50:13.020
You can almost live with those and never hear Purple Haze once on any of these shows,

01:50:13.360 --> 01:50:15.120
you know, because he's always doing something different.

01:50:15.560 --> 01:50:16.600
I would actually,

01:50:16.800 --> 01:50:18.200
John, I'll go.

01:50:18.600 --> 01:50:24.940
I'll jump on that and just say you could never listen to any of the studio records and just listen to the live records and you're still going to have a heck of a great time.

01:50:25.580 --> 01:50:25.660
Right.

01:50:25.920 --> 01:50:28.160
And understand the magnificence.

01:50:28.520 --> 01:50:32.960
It's cool that he was able to somehow pull this all down and put it on tape.

01:50:33.680 --> 01:50:35.920
And it's such an organized fashion,

01:50:36.080 --> 01:50:36.220
but.

01:50:36.380 --> 01:50:38.100
You have to just put it all in perspective.

01:50:39.360 --> 01:50:46.600
The first single came out in December of 1966 and he died in September of 1970.

01:50:47.300 --> 01:50:47.960
All this happened.

01:50:48.580 --> 01:50:49.700
in less than four years.

01:50:50.140 --> 01:50:50.700
Absurd.

01:50:50.900 --> 01:50:51.840
It's absurd.

01:50:52.000 --> 01:50:54.420
He never stopped.

01:50:54.900 --> 01:50:59.780
He never stopped. He was always... So maybe you guys can clarify this,

01:50:59.960 --> 01:51:03.940
because one of the kind of contradictions to me is, like,

01:51:04.260 --> 01:51:12.260
he was so... So based on what I read and all the information that I kind of absorbed in the last couple of days about,

01:51:12.520 --> 01:51:18.560
like, his perfectionism and wanting to do all these takes and all this stuff in the

01:51:18.600 --> 01:51:18.940
the studio.

01:51:20.240 --> 01:51:20.640
But yet,

01:51:21.240 --> 01:51:21.340
like,

01:51:21.700 --> 01:51:25.060
he released this band of Gypsies album,

01:51:25.300 --> 01:51:29.920
which was just a single night, you know, live thing.

01:51:31.140 --> 01:51:34.600
And I'm pretty sure they didn't do any overdubs or do anything else. Actually,

01:51:34.760 --> 01:51:37.180
it's a combination of two different nights.

01:51:37.440 --> 01:51:38.740
It's not even a full show.

01:51:39.300 --> 01:51:43.060
But Gypsies, not the philosophy of it, right? Right. But yeah, my point is, though,

01:51:43.640 --> 01:51:45.320
here's a guy who's like,

01:51:45.820 --> 01:51:47.820
you know, so focused on perfectionism,

01:51:48.120 --> 01:51:48.460
but yet,

01:51:48.580 --> 01:51:50.800
It's like, yeah, let's let this total,

01:51:51.020 --> 01:51:51.620
you know,

01:51:52.560 --> 01:51:56.600
live thing just get out there without like,

01:51:57.000 --> 01:52:10.380
I don't know. It just seems I find that hard to reconcile because I couldn't understand how this guy who is so obsessed with like trying to make these sounds in the studio and doing 29 takes of a particular song.

01:52:10.820 --> 01:52:14.640
But yet they just improvise this whole thing in the show.

01:52:14.840 --> 01:52:15.060
It's like,

01:52:15.260 --> 01:52:18.540
it's just like these guys and they just record it and put it out.

01:52:18.580 --> 01:52:22.040
And it's like there was no obsession with it,

01:52:22.200 --> 01:52:22.280
right?

01:52:22.440 --> 01:52:26.440
The early stuff with Chaz Chandler was very,

01:52:26.660 --> 01:52:29.220
let's get it done, we only have an hour left in the studio.

01:52:29.440 --> 01:52:40.560
It was Electric Ladyland on is when he started to become that kind of conflicting personality that you're talking about started to happen more then,

01:52:40.780 --> 01:52:43.300
when he had more control in the studio.

01:52:43.760 --> 01:52:48.540
But I have another answer for that too, and it was one of my own perceptions.

01:52:48.900 --> 01:52:54.100
that was changed some time ago. And it was years and years and years ago when I first discovered Hendrix.

01:52:54.380 --> 01:53:03.200
First of all, if you've never played a single coil Stratocaster through a wah pedal and a distorted amp, you're missing out.

01:53:05.280 --> 01:53:06.840
It is such a cool sound.

01:53:08.440 --> 01:53:10.520
You just do stuff that you didn't know you could do.

01:53:11.110 --> 01:53:11.600
So there's that.

01:53:12.040 --> 01:53:12.880
But secondarily,

01:53:13.140 --> 01:53:14.180
I used to say to people,

01:53:14.520 --> 01:53:14.980
oh,

01:53:15.160 --> 01:53:17.740
Hendrix made mistakes all the time. They just sounded good.

01:53:18.040 --> 01:53:19.040
I was wrong.

01:53:19.600 --> 01:53:24.860
I have listened to Jimi Hendrix so much like in the last like four years. He's kind of been one of my constantly rotating.

01:53:25.080 --> 01:53:26.880
Hendrix almost never made a mistake.

01:53:27.540 --> 01:53:28.260
And I'm not joking.

01:53:28.560 --> 01:53:38.580
Like you might be like just really go and listen and understand where some of the sounds are coming on. If you hear something then you can kind of sometimes he's doing these things that sound like mistakes that are completely on purpose.

01:53:38.880 --> 01:53:48.000
So all I mean is that part of him what he felt about music was it was like he was such a live performer that it was like he was like he was like he was like he was like he was like he was like he was like he was like he was

01:53:48.020 --> 01:53:50.700
felt it was to be experienced in the moment,

01:53:51.120 --> 01:53:53.460
blah, blah, blah. And listen to some of his ramblings on things.

01:53:53.620 --> 01:53:57.620
Like, we're all here, man. Like, he talks about at the Berklee show. He says, yesterday was yesterday,

01:53:57.800 --> 01:54:00.560
tomorrow was tomorrow. I'm sure you got stuff you wrote, but this is our little magic moment together,

01:54:00.820 --> 01:54:01.120
man, right?

01:54:01.320 --> 01:54:02.440
You know, and then they play the show.

01:54:03.580 --> 01:54:08.400
That's why he was able to do things like Band of Gypsies, because he really believed in those kinds of expressions.

01:54:08.800 --> 01:54:10.080
He just loved the studio, too.

01:54:10.760 --> 01:54:13.140
So I don't even know if he was a perfectionist.

01:54:13.320 --> 01:54:18.000
I think he was somebody that eventually somebody had to tell him, dude, there's no more buttons we

01:54:18.040 --> 01:54:18.540
can push.

01:54:19.300 --> 01:54:20.380
It's one o'clock in the morning.

01:54:20.620 --> 01:54:21.000
It's done,

01:54:21.160 --> 01:54:21.220
dude.

01:54:21.460 --> 01:54:21.840
You know what I mean?

01:54:22.120 --> 01:54:24.580
I think he would, I don't think it was perfectionism. It was, uh,

01:54:25.660 --> 01:54:27.680
I bet I can get four more sounds on there. That's all.

01:54:28.400 --> 01:54:28.680
Okay.

01:54:29.240 --> 01:54:30.140
That's my take on it.

01:54:30.880 --> 01:54:34.380
And, and also I got to say band of gypsy is pretty flawless performance.

01:54:34.580 --> 01:54:36.660
So I, they didn't, there was nothing that had to be done to that thing.

01:54:36.840 --> 01:54:36.940
So.

01:54:37.740 --> 01:54:38.320
Oh yeah.

01:54:38.480 --> 01:54:41.060
Well, I wasn't, you know, I wasn't kind of, I didn't take it that way.

01:54:41.260 --> 01:54:41.500
Yeah.

01:54:41.720 --> 01:54:43.800
But, but my point was just that, you know,

01:54:44.740 --> 01:54:47.980
it's very improvisational and I'm sure it was like,

01:54:48.020 --> 01:54:51.000
It certainly didn't sound over-rehearsed.

01:54:51.300 --> 01:54:52.460
It's just like,

01:54:52.720 --> 01:54:56.100
hey, I'm going to let these guys do their thing.

01:54:56.480 --> 01:54:57.680
I'm going to do my thing.

01:54:58.380 --> 01:54:59.300
And here it is.

01:55:00.520 --> 01:55:08.340
But yet, it was as far from this perfectionist studio thing that you can imagine.

01:55:11.000 --> 01:55:17.680
I think a good way to wrap this up is with a story that was from the Electric Ladyland studio.

01:55:18.700 --> 01:55:21.580
And Eddie Kramer is saying, you know,

01:55:21.760 --> 01:55:21.840
Jimmy,

01:55:23.060 --> 01:55:26.540
you could go off at great length, but he kind of always was doing something great,

01:55:26.860 --> 01:55:28.080
you know, and important and whatever.

01:55:28.880 --> 01:55:30.400
And then when they did Voodoo Child,

01:55:30.600 --> 01:55:31.480
not the Slight Return,

01:55:31.700 --> 01:55:33.840
but the bluesy jam in the first record,

01:55:34.020 --> 01:55:34.100
which,

01:55:34.260 --> 01:55:37.420
by the way, is as good as the song Black Sabbath, as far as I'm concerned, but whatever.

01:55:38.540 --> 01:55:42.180
And Buddy Miles has a drum solo in the middle of that.

01:55:43.160 --> 01:55:45.120
And it went on,

01:55:45.340 --> 01:55:45.620
apparently,

01:55:45.960 --> 01:55:46.780
for like a half an hour.

01:55:47.860 --> 01:55:55.240
And it got to the point where it was longer than the side of a record,

01:55:55.640 --> 01:55:55.720
right?

01:55:55.900 --> 01:55:56.660
And they're making a record.

01:55:57.740 --> 01:55:59.460
And he looks over at Annie Kramer,

01:55:59.700 --> 01:56:03.300
and he kept slumping down and down and down until finally he said,

01:56:03.460 --> 01:56:08.040
buddy needs to shut the hell up.

01:56:09.120 --> 01:56:16.720
Which was it. I mean, not much of a comical line, but my point is that he had a vision for it. He was just like, let's let him have his night, and then we'll go and cut out 12 minutes of it.

01:56:18.239 --> 01:56:19.980
Which is exactly what they did.

01:56:21.060 --> 01:56:27.860
And so just know that song is apparently 24 minutes longer than the already 12 or 14 minutes is.

01:56:28.640 --> 01:56:34.660
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if Perfectionist really was his thing. I don't think that's what it was. I think it was Exploration.

01:56:35.180 --> 01:56:35.620
Okay.

01:56:35.840 --> 01:56:47.400
Maybe the live show allowed him to feel free of the studio and allowed him setting aside the recreational enhancers that may have been happening

01:56:47.440 --> 01:56:47.540
live.

01:56:48.560 --> 01:56:49.280
Maybe he felt,

01:56:49.560 --> 01:56:51.260
to answer your question,

01:56:51.430 --> 01:56:53.620
or maybe he felt like, hey, I don't have the restrictions

01:56:53.900 --> 01:56:54.640
of the studio.

01:56:54.860 --> 01:56:55.660
I'm just going to

01:56:55.810 --> 01:56:56.740
see where this goes tonight.

01:56:58.680 --> 01:57:00.740
Maybe it was his Jekyll and Hyde.

01:57:02.460 --> 01:57:03.720
Or maybe he was just

01:57:03.880 --> 01:57:05.240
chasing that magical moment.

01:57:05.600 --> 01:57:07.900
I think that that might have been what it was

01:57:07.980 --> 01:57:09.940
where it's like, hey, let's see what happens

01:57:10.170 --> 01:57:11.760
and something really incredible

01:57:11.960 --> 01:57:12.640
could happen here.

01:57:14.030 --> 01:57:15.860
But you just never know when it's going to happen.

01:57:16.500 --> 01:57:46.460
with the right guys and let's oh you know like let's just kind of cultivate this and see how this jam goes and oh wow there was this really amazing part and okay that's what i was looking for you kind of just gave me the chills dude i'm not joking because i think that's exactly who he was i think he was always chasing the magical moment and yeah i think you i think the nail on the head i think we we missed where this was all going i think it was a new direction and

01:57:46.480 --> 01:58:16.460
I think he hopes we all like it jazz odyssey as odyssey I see what you did there buddy miles he wrote this yeah well I'm gonna I'll purposely cut us off there just because we got I would done well by the time one of us needs here but I it's a conversation that we could do it all over again I mean there was so much more I kind of

01:58:16.560 --> 01:58:27.020
I personally wanted to say, but I think we hit some good, hot, emotional, and intelligent points about this artist who's really worthy of your time and your devotion and your love and your whatever,

01:58:27.260 --> 01:58:30.980
if you can find your way into it. And it's a gift that really gives a lot.

01:58:31.380 --> 01:58:34.440
So if you don't know Hendrix, give it a shot. Yeah.

01:58:34.600 --> 01:58:40.280
George, is there any additional you want to add? Because I know you didn't have, maybe I was stepping on you too much tonight.

01:58:40.520 --> 01:58:42.080
Stop stepping on me.

01:58:42.260 --> 01:58:43.520
I'm not your stepping stone.

01:58:43.940 --> 01:58:44.160
Obviously,

01:58:44.420 --> 01:58:45.220
you're my stepping stone.

01:58:47.160 --> 01:58:48.880
Except that's the monkeys.

01:58:49.310 --> 01:58:49.700
He was on.

01:58:51.400 --> 01:58:52.120
But, um,

01:58:53.880 --> 01:58:55.340
no, I don't think so. I think I

01:58:55.820 --> 01:58:57.080
think I have said my piece.

01:58:58.100 --> 01:58:58.280
Cool.

01:58:58.480 --> 01:58:58.760
Okay.

01:59:00.000 --> 01:59:00.840
It's fun. It's

01:59:01.580 --> 01:59:02.140
fun, man.

01:59:02.340 --> 01:59:03.660
There's so much to talk about

01:59:03.660 --> 01:59:04.020
with this guy.

01:59:04.200 --> 01:59:04.340
So,

01:59:05.620 --> 01:59:06.180
good stuff.

01:59:06.840 --> 01:59:07.620
It's funny. I've been

01:59:07.740 --> 01:59:08.620
looking at John's, um,

01:59:08.840 --> 01:59:09.460
got Axis Bull

01:59:09.520 --> 01:59:11.020
to Love up on his now playing

01:59:11.600 --> 01:59:13.580
section behind his head and it makes me really

01:59:13.700 --> 01:59:14.520
want to listen to the record.

01:59:14.760 --> 01:59:15.120
Hold on.

01:59:15.400 --> 01:59:17.740
There was 40 comments I wanted to make about that record,

01:59:17.900 --> 01:59:18.260
but whatever.

01:59:18.660 --> 01:59:19.080
But Jay,

01:59:19.300 --> 01:59:21.300
there's something behind it that I bought by accident.

01:59:21.600 --> 01:59:22.060
Hold on.

01:59:22.400 --> 01:59:22.860
Yeah, yeah.

01:59:24.080 --> 01:59:26.200
So I thought I bought the CD,

01:59:26.840 --> 01:59:28.220
because I don't buy as much vinyl anymore,

01:59:28.400 --> 01:59:30.740
but I want it. I have all his live stuff, and I got this.

01:59:32.360 --> 01:59:32.900
Oh, wow.

01:59:33.220 --> 01:59:34.060
By accident,

01:59:34.260 --> 01:59:37.720
and I was going to actually send it back, because I was like, oh, I don't want the vinyl, and I was like,

01:59:38.780 --> 01:59:39.160
ah,

01:59:39.340 --> 01:59:39.920
fuck it, I'll keep it.

01:59:40.240 --> 01:59:40.600
Yeah.

01:59:41.400 --> 01:59:42.100
You know what?

01:59:42.440 --> 01:59:43.640
I do want the vinyl.

01:59:45.400 --> 02:00:15.360
brain working there one was going tell john he should keep another one was like say tell john send it to me hey i have a small alice cooper anecdote that would be a perfect way to wrap this up because i just saw this yesterday and it was wonderful and it was um i saw him be an interview because i think he just had a book that just came out yep and i've been seeing little excerpts from his interviews on whatever algorithm i get stuck in and i had known this story but it's a great story it's very short um about how he

02:00:16.100 --> 02:00:16.960
met Elvis.

02:00:18.280 --> 02:00:25.700
I think it was in Las Vegas and Elvis had handlers as you know and they would gather people and say hey Elvis wants to meet you.

02:00:26.200 --> 02:00:34.460
And so somehow he ends up backstage or in the hotel where Elvis is staying in his room and he's there with I don't know why but Liza Minnelli.

02:00:35.140 --> 02:00:38.200
And I think they've come separately. They didn't take the same limo or anything.

02:00:38.420 --> 02:00:39.140
So it's Elvis,

02:00:39.480 --> 02:00:43.260
Liza Minnelli and Alice Cooper in this hotel room.

02:00:43.520 --> 02:00:44.800
Sounds like a joke.

02:00:46.440 --> 02:00:50.060
It's got a good punchline. A priest and a rabbi and a walk into a bar.

02:00:50.940 --> 02:00:56.000
I promise you it's perfectly true, but it's got a punchline in any case. But Elvis immediately says to Alice,

02:00:56.300 --> 02:00:57.780
like, hey, it's nice to meet you both.

02:00:58.090 --> 02:00:58.480
And he says,

02:00:58.700 --> 02:00:59.200
and then he goes,

02:00:59.380 --> 02:01:01.380
and that was because come over here. I want to show you something interesting.

02:01:02.120 --> 02:01:05.240
And you guys will know that Elvis was capable of this kind of behavior.

02:01:05.840 --> 02:01:09.760
He reaches in this drawer and he pulls out a loaded.38 pistol.

02:01:10.800 --> 02:01:13.280
And then he gives it to Alice Cooper and he goes,

02:01:14.220 --> 02:01:15.360
and Alice is like, this is

02:01:15.380 --> 02:01:22.640
and it's like i'm gonna show you how to take a gun off of a person because i was

02:01:22.760 --> 02:01:28.840
studying new karate and all that stuff right but the punchline is that elvin or that alice with whom the

02:01:28.980 --> 02:01:36.360
interview was being conducted said he said in the little devil on my shoulder was like shoot him and it was

02:01:36.480 --> 02:01:42.619
because he said could there be a better headline than alice kerper alice cooper murders elvis presley

02:01:42.820 --> 02:01:48.120
He was observing himself from outside of his body. It's just like people would love to read that story.

02:01:48.680 --> 02:01:50.040
He said, I've of course passed,

02:01:50.200 --> 02:01:52.860
but he said for a minute I've just just like I'm gonna shoot Elvis.

02:01:54.220 --> 02:01:58.400
Just simply for the headline and it would have been a magnificent headline.

02:01:58.640 --> 02:01:59.340
Oh God.

02:02:00.220 --> 02:02:00.380
Anyway,

02:02:00.560 --> 02:02:01.460
and it's a true story.

02:02:02.320 --> 02:02:02.480
Right.

02:02:03.540 --> 02:02:05.660
And then I guess he went on to show him how to disarm a person.

02:02:06.000 --> 02:02:06.360
So whatever.

02:02:06.800 --> 02:02:06.920
Yeah.

02:02:08.260 --> 02:02:08.660
So Elvis,

02:02:09.000 --> 02:02:11.200
Alice almost shot Elvis.

02:02:12.640 --> 02:02:15.820
All right, well, I think we have jumped the Jimmy shark here,

02:02:17.220 --> 02:02:19.340
and it may be time to move on.

02:02:20.980 --> 02:02:25.160
Well, I think we could still devote a whole episode to all the people that,

02:02:25.880 --> 02:02:25.960
like,

02:02:26.740 --> 02:02:27.340
his disciples.

02:02:27.820 --> 02:02:29.260
Yeah, this is just Jimmy part one.

02:02:29.740 --> 02:02:37.420
This is, yeah, I think there's a whole other separate set of this that we haven't. Which we almost didn't, you know, Satriani worshipped him, man. You know what I mean?

02:02:37.600 --> 02:02:37.760
Yes.

02:02:38.300 --> 02:02:38.700
Well,

02:02:38.940 --> 02:02:42.600
and Vi and Roth and

02:02:45.840 --> 02:02:46.720
Yeah, absolutely.

02:02:49.180 --> 02:02:49.640
It's true.

02:02:49.900 --> 02:02:50.580
Wait, isn't that funny?

02:02:50.590 --> 02:02:51.940
We didn't touch on that much of that.

02:02:53.440 --> 02:02:54.240
Tip of the iceberg.

02:02:55.600 --> 02:02:57.740
So what else have you guys been up to lately?

02:02:58.360 --> 02:02:59.280
Listen, anything good?

02:02:59.620 --> 02:03:00.380
Do anything fun?

02:03:00.540 --> 02:03:00.980
What's going on?

02:03:02.780 --> 02:03:04.160
Well, just the other night,

02:03:04.290 --> 02:03:07.920
I went out to see the Back to the Beginning movie,

02:03:09.140 --> 02:03:11.020
which had kind of, you know,

02:03:11.120 --> 02:03:16.460
due to Ozzy's death that took place right after the concert happened in,

02:03:16.700 --> 02:03:17.520
I guess it was,

02:03:17.760 --> 02:03:19.300
yeah, 2025.

02:03:20.840 --> 02:03:33.060
The original intent was to get that out sooner and have it out so that people could have a lasting keepsake of that event.

02:03:34.560 --> 02:03:36.800
But of course when Ozzy passed, it was,

02:03:36.960 --> 02:03:37.240
I guess,

02:03:38.060 --> 02:03:41.060
obviously it was devastating to the family and everybody that was involved.

02:03:41.120 --> 02:03:46.640
So it ended up taking a lot more time to kind of put that together.

02:03:47.020 --> 02:03:47.640
Pivot a little.

02:03:48.220 --> 02:03:48.780
Yeah.

02:03:49.420 --> 02:04:02.240
And so it will eventually and actually it's already out right now. You can go online and get copies of the new like the this this version of the film.

02:04:02.520 --> 02:04:07.740
It's like there's a Blu-ray some CDs and there's I thought they weren't coming out till December.

02:04:08.000 --> 02:04:09.660
So I was like oh it's out.

02:04:10.020 --> 02:04:11.080
And and there's a

02:04:11.120 --> 02:04:13.640
a massive box set that's like $389.

02:04:14.260 --> 02:04:14.700
Yikes.

02:04:14.880 --> 02:04:15.420
With like,

02:04:15.700 --> 02:04:19.600
you know, all this extra footage and a book and all this other stuff.

02:04:20.060 --> 02:04:21.240
I love them that,

02:04:21.440 --> 02:04:22.280
but not that much.

02:04:22.920 --> 02:04:26.380
So I'll probably just get the Blu-ray and the CD.

02:04:27.730 --> 02:04:29.700
And the film was pretty cool.

02:04:29.980 --> 02:04:30.780
They basically,

02:04:31.400 --> 02:04:34.960
it was like part documentary,

02:04:35.350 --> 02:04:38.660
but mostly performance footage from the day,

02:04:39.940 --> 02:04:41.060
which was July 5th.

02:04:41.100 --> 02:04:51.540
of 2025 when uh for those that may not be familiar that was basically slated to be uh the last

02:04:51.800 --> 02:05:00.240
performance for ozzy in both as ozzy his as a solo artist and uh for black sabbath as a as a group like that

02:05:00.270 --> 02:05:11.080
their final show and they invited numerous different bands to participate in this uh and tom morello was kind of in charge he was like the music director

02:05:11.080 --> 02:05:29.460
And he basically invited all these bands to be part of it. And with the premise of you're going to do a cover of either an Ozzy song or a Black Sabbath song, and then you can do songs of your own band as well.

02:05:30.060 --> 02:05:40.560
And they also put together kind of like this all-star group of performers that also would come together and play different songs that they had throughout the day.

02:05:41.100 --> 02:05:43.540
And it was a multi-hour affair, as you can imagine,

02:05:43.740 --> 02:05:45.820
because there were numerous bands that participated.

02:05:47.020 --> 02:05:48.040
And so,

02:05:48.660 --> 02:05:57.440
you know, I wasn't quite sure how this movie was going to work, because obviously to go from hours and hours of footage of this performance,

02:05:57.680 --> 02:05:58.700
these various performances.

02:05:59.140 --> 02:06:10.860
But what they did was they basically took the Sabbath or Ozzy covers that each band did and put that into the film.

02:06:11.100 --> 02:06:24.500
along with kind of interspersed with some comments from different people that were there as to like how the day went and what it was like and Tom Morello talking about,

02:06:24.980 --> 02:06:25.980
you know, putting the thing together.

02:06:27.210 --> 02:06:28.160
So it was very interesting.

02:06:28.690 --> 02:06:30.380
The performances were really good.

02:06:31.160 --> 02:06:36.960
It was just really impressive to watch this performance and to,

02:06:37.220 --> 02:06:37.480
you know,

02:06:37.720 --> 02:06:40.900
and now knowing as you watch it, like this is Ozzy.

02:06:43.520 --> 02:06:46.940
It was kind of moving and touching.

02:06:47.880 --> 02:06:52.280
You could see that Ozzy truly felt the love from everybody.

02:06:55.180 --> 02:06:57.940
It was a really great performance.

02:06:58.900 --> 02:06:59.620
Unfortunately,

02:06:59.900 --> 02:07:06.300
they only release these films a lot of times like this for a day or two before it gets released.

02:07:10.960 --> 02:07:40.920
I don't know that they'll put it back in theaters again but like it was definitely worth going to see because I enjoyed seeing it on the big screen and hearing it through you know the movie sound system which was really good how long was it what was the running time it ended up like just under two and a half hours so it seemed like you know which sounds like a really long time but as you watch it it actually went quickly because you know you're seeing all these short

02:07:40.960 --> 02:07:42.800
musical performances.

02:07:43.120 --> 02:07:43.560
It's like, okay,

02:07:43.760 --> 02:07:46.720
here's Mastodon doing their song, and here's

02:07:47.680 --> 02:07:52.180
whoever doing Alice in Chains doing their Black Sabbath tune.

02:07:53.080 --> 02:07:56.100
So it kind of actually went fairly quickly,

02:07:56.400 --> 02:07:57.380
and I think they

02:07:58.880 --> 02:08:02.040
also kind of edited some of the songs down a little bit.

02:08:03.880 --> 02:08:05.240
So some of the songs

02:08:06.140 --> 02:08:10.140
I don't think were totally complete for those of the people

02:08:10.140 --> 02:08:10.760
out there that,

02:08:10.940 --> 02:08:17.200
you know, because that was a live stream event and a lot of people actually bought tickets and you could live stream it in your house and watch it like all day,

02:08:17.360 --> 02:08:18.440
which my friend Bernie did.

02:08:19.160 --> 02:08:24.420
And so for him, he was like seeing it all again in this movie and felt like,

02:08:24.580 --> 02:08:24.680
wow,

02:08:24.860 --> 02:08:27.260
you know, they definitely kind of cut some stuff down.

02:08:27.850 --> 02:08:30.480
But they had to if you're going to make a movie out of this.

02:08:30.640 --> 02:08:32.820
So I didn't have a problem with that.

02:08:33.400 --> 02:08:39.140
And it was very cool performance and very touching when you think about,

02:08:39.300 --> 02:08:39.500
you know,

02:08:39.720 --> 02:08:40.440
This is it.

02:08:40.660 --> 02:08:41.580
This is the very end.

02:08:42.500 --> 02:08:44.800
And Ozzy actually sounded really good.

02:08:45.160 --> 02:08:47.120
All the bands were really amazing.

02:08:47.420 --> 02:08:52.100
The musicians just put on these really incredible performances.

02:08:53.080 --> 02:08:55.820
And so I enjoyed seeing that in the theater.

02:08:56.000 --> 02:08:58.100
I read you need to bring Kleenex.

02:08:58.940 --> 02:09:07.780
Well, there were some touching moments and some moments where you kind of get choked up because it's like, I'll say this,

02:09:08.260 --> 02:09:08.540
you know,

02:09:08.780 --> 02:09:09.700
it caused

02:09:09.720 --> 02:09:39.700
a sensation at the time because I don't know that he's really considered like he's definitely not considered like a metal guy but the what Youngblood's performance of changes was really gripping I've heard that a lot from people I mean like seriously people whom I respect and I haven't even checked it out totally wanted to admit it and more than one person that I know was like dude the Youngblood thing was crazy good he's kind of cool regardless I mean he does some weird stuff but some of his stuff's kind of cool too I don't

02:09:39.720 --> 02:10:09.700
I don't know what's about him but I have seen little clips of him talking and he seems like kind of an okay guy quite frankly but well yeah and part of what he said in the film was just he really related to Ozzy because Ozzy was like this kind of crazy guy that did some wacky things who was you know very talented obviously but like at the time you know Ozzy was this edgy thing where you know people were scared or worried or like what is this and this

02:10:09.720 --> 02:10:10.380
this guy, I think,

02:10:10.660 --> 02:10:13.960
kind of related to that and felt like, well, this guy,

02:10:14.160 --> 02:10:16.240
I'm living this guy's life,

02:10:16.440 --> 02:10:21.020
you know, like I'm kind of coming up on my own and I'm doing these crazy things and I get a lot of,

02:10:21.280 --> 02:10:23.480
you know, people slagging off on me.

02:10:24.500 --> 02:10:26.160
But the reality is, is like,

02:10:26.800 --> 02:10:26.980
I'm,

02:10:27.320 --> 02:10:28.080
I feel like,

02:10:28.340 --> 02:10:28.620
you know,

02:10:29.020 --> 02:10:30.960
Ozzy's a person I can really relate to.

02:10:31.520 --> 02:10:33.640
And I think Ozzy probably felt the same way.

02:10:34.360 --> 02:10:35.980
And of course he was invited to perform.

02:10:36.320 --> 02:10:36.420
So,

02:10:36.640 --> 02:10:36.860
you know,

02:10:37.400 --> 02:10:39.340
so I think, I think he was,

02:10:39.380 --> 02:10:41.760
He felt a very strong connection to Ozzy,

02:10:42.120 --> 02:10:45.280
and I think that's why his performance was particularly moving.

02:10:47.020 --> 02:10:50.260
So yeah, it's not coming out until December 11th.

02:10:50.420 --> 02:10:51.680
You can pre-order now?

02:10:51.840 --> 02:10:53.300
Yeah, the pre-orders are up,

02:10:53.480 --> 02:10:53.560
yeah.

02:10:53.820 --> 02:10:56.120
And no word on streaming,

02:10:56.400 --> 02:10:58.540
so God knows when I'll actually get to see it.

02:10:59.920 --> 02:11:01.220
Have you seen any of it, George?

02:11:01.440 --> 02:11:04.560
I mean, other than just the clips that circulated, I guess. No.

02:11:04.760 --> 02:11:05.600
Yeah, me either.

02:11:06.040 --> 02:11:07.220
I've seen bits and pieces,

02:11:07.480 --> 02:11:08.960
but literally.

02:11:09.380 --> 02:11:09.660
and pieces.

02:11:10.000 --> 02:11:10.060
Yeah.

02:11:10.800 --> 02:11:14.300
I think every once in a while somebody would mention one of the performances and I thought I'd go check it out.

02:11:14.520 --> 02:11:17.620
I think I've seen the changes thing because that was everywhere.

02:11:17.880 --> 02:11:23.440
But I thought some of it but not not much. I think it was in a kind of like quickly edited recap.

02:11:24.500 --> 02:11:27.980
Plus he's been playing that like since then.

02:11:28.500 --> 02:11:29.620
Oh it's like part of his set now.

02:11:29.960 --> 02:11:30.100
Yeah.

02:11:31.980 --> 02:11:32.060
Yeah.

02:11:32.280 --> 02:11:35.880
And I think the Blu-ray CD combo is like 40 bucks.

02:11:36.080 --> 02:11:39.360
So it's like I'm definitely in for that. You know like it's definitely worth

02:11:40.040 --> 02:11:41.300
I got nothing to play it on.

02:11:43.540 --> 02:11:45.140
Oh, you have PS5, don't you?

02:11:45.800 --> 02:11:46.160
Oh,

02:11:46.340 --> 02:11:46.580
that's true.

02:11:47.130 --> 02:11:48.180
Wait, no, I don't have a...

02:11:48.630 --> 02:11:49.800
I only have the digital only one.

02:11:50.480 --> 02:11:51.040
Oh, shoot.

02:11:52.220 --> 02:11:53.920
Because I thought I didn't have one, but I have an Xbox.

02:11:54.110 --> 02:11:55.680
And I was like, that's right, I got an Xbox.

02:11:56.060 --> 02:11:57.220
Yeah, I don't do discs anymore.

02:11:59.160 --> 02:11:59.520
Yeah,

02:11:59.740 --> 02:12:00.180
that's funny.

02:12:01.220 --> 02:12:03.040
I mean, I actually do have like a...

02:12:03.300 --> 02:12:05.440
One I can plug into my computer somewhere

02:12:05.700 --> 02:12:08.880
so that I can still rip my CDs when I need to re-rip them.

02:12:08.960 --> 02:12:10.980
But yeah.

02:12:12.680 --> 02:12:13.500
What about shows?

02:12:13.700 --> 02:12:15.060
People have gone. I know John has

02:12:15.520 --> 02:12:17.240
something he's going to mention that

02:12:17.280 --> 02:12:18.540
sounds very interesting to me.

02:12:19.560 --> 02:12:20.460
Not show related.

02:12:21.510 --> 02:12:22.960
But we'll get to the shows in a second.

02:12:23.090 --> 02:12:24.980
I just had a revelation the last

02:12:25.960 --> 02:12:27.040
couple of weeks.

02:12:28.700 --> 02:12:28.820
For

02:12:30.520 --> 02:12:32.060
God knows how long I've heard

02:12:32.720 --> 02:12:34.980
about this soft rock legend

02:12:35.160 --> 02:12:36.460
band that used to be

02:12:37.120 --> 02:12:38.920
a rock band. And I was like that's just total

02:12:38.940 --> 02:12:44.320
I don't believe it and I'm referring to the band Ambrosia and if you don't know who

02:12:44.400 --> 02:13:08.900
Ambrosia is you've heard their soft rock classics how much I feel and here the only woman in the biggest part of me and I know that not only do I know the songs but I know the lead singer because I've seen him on one of those time life you know soft rock collections where he he's hawking it oh the 70s were a great time Julie yes exactly

02:13:09.920 --> 02:13:15.880
And so I was like, yeah, there's no way this band has any prog rock in their DNA.

02:13:16.640 --> 02:13:20.040
So I finally gave in and listened to the, no,

02:13:20.340 --> 02:13:21.880
that's back it up.

02:13:22.480 --> 02:13:28.600
I was on my way to BJ's to get something there. BJ's in this area is like a Costco.

02:13:29.920 --> 02:13:33.380
This song comes on, it's just this really cool prog rock song, but this is badass.

02:13:34.320 --> 02:13:35.140
And I look over and it says,

02:13:35.700 --> 02:13:36.100
Ambrosia.

02:13:36.780 --> 02:13:38.640
And I'm like, wait a second here now.

02:13:38.900 --> 02:13:40.120
And so right away,

02:13:40.400 --> 02:13:47.340
I think I took a picture of my Sirius XM so I could remember it. And I got home and I listened to the album and I was like, I'll be damned.

02:13:48.640 --> 02:13:50.460
This is a really good frog rock album.

02:13:50.680 --> 02:13:50.960
Yeah,

02:13:51.140 --> 02:13:58.520
that first album is really good. So I got it. I got the second one, too, because the second one is still they're still doing frog rock.

02:13:59.960 --> 02:14:01.620
It's a very proggy name,

02:14:02.080 --> 02:14:02.280
honestly.

02:14:02.860 --> 02:14:03.520
Well, that's true.

02:14:03.970 --> 02:14:04.240
I mean,

02:14:04.560 --> 02:14:04.640
yeah,

02:14:04.800 --> 02:14:05.320
ancient Greek,

02:14:05.580 --> 02:14:06.300
you know, it's like, OK,

02:14:06.780 --> 02:14:08.440
that's that's kind of.

02:14:08.900 --> 02:14:11.000
That or a side dish at Thanksgiving.

02:14:11.350 --> 02:14:11.480
Well,

02:14:11.680 --> 02:14:11.780
yeah.

02:14:14.100 --> 02:14:15.240
Let's be honest there.

02:14:15.400 --> 02:14:15.640
Come on.

02:14:16.200 --> 02:14:17.180
Nobody's thinking about it.

02:14:17.640 --> 02:14:19.240
That's such a 70s thing.

02:14:21.580 --> 02:14:22.400
Ambrosia salad.

02:14:23.260 --> 02:14:24.120
What do you call it, George?

02:14:24.560 --> 02:14:25.500
Ambrosia salad.

02:14:25.880 --> 02:14:31.420
Ambrosia salad, yeah. I don't know that I've ever had it, but I remember that from Edward Scissorhands.

02:14:31.580 --> 02:14:32.840
That's like whipped cream,

02:14:33.620 --> 02:14:33.820
jello,

02:14:34.280 --> 02:14:36.260
and chopped up fruit or something like that. Something like that,

02:14:36.420 --> 02:14:36.520
yeah.

02:14:36.880 --> 02:14:38.260
It's very 19.

02:14:38.900 --> 02:14:41.400
With the little baby marshmallows,

02:14:41.720 --> 02:14:41.800
too.

02:14:42.120 --> 02:14:42.420
Yeah,

02:14:42.580 --> 02:14:45.440
and it probably tastes wrong if it's not in Tupperware, you know what I mean?

02:14:47.320 --> 02:14:49.480
And it tastes wrong for being in the Tupperware.

02:14:52.560 --> 02:14:53.760
That's my big revelation.

02:14:53.950 --> 02:14:54.340
I was like,

02:14:54.500 --> 02:14:54.560
damn,

02:14:54.720 --> 02:14:55.880
this is a really good album.

02:14:56.900 --> 02:14:57.360
And it is.

02:14:57.560 --> 02:14:58.320
It's no BS.

02:14:59.460 --> 02:15:06.580
And it's a shame that they went to that soft rock. I'm sure they've made a ton of... Well, it probably lined their pockets,

02:15:06.870 --> 02:15:06.980
yeah.

02:15:08.900 --> 02:15:09.940
It's in so much,

02:15:10.100 --> 02:15:12.620
I don't want to say syndication because that's television,

02:15:13.040 --> 02:15:13.220
but,

02:15:13.580 --> 02:15:17.140
you know, they're probably cleaning up from those songs. What is the word for that?

02:15:17.440 --> 02:15:18.920
Ass, let's just say ASCAP.

02:15:19.180 --> 02:15:19.860
You know,

02:15:20.220 --> 02:15:20.880
so I don't know.

02:15:21.160 --> 02:15:23.740
What is the syndication word for music?

02:15:24.660 --> 02:15:26.120
Residuals. Let's call it residuals.

02:15:26.340 --> 02:15:26.740
Yeah.

02:15:27.000 --> 02:15:27.340
Royalties.

02:15:27.860 --> 02:15:27.980
Probably.

02:15:28.340 --> 02:15:29.180
Yeah, I mean, they get,

02:15:29.400 --> 02:15:30.840
I'm sure if I went on to,

02:15:31.040 --> 02:15:35.480
if you go on to Spotify, you could see the plays just for them alone, and I'm sure it's huge.

02:15:35.660 --> 02:15:37.000
This is pretty unprecedented.

02:15:37.420 --> 02:15:38.500
That means $1.45.

02:15:38.900 --> 02:15:39.260
But yeah.

02:15:40.720 --> 02:15:43.260
If you get over a million listens on something,

02:15:43.420 --> 02:15:45.500
you're going to get a partial amount.

02:15:45.610 --> 02:15:47.320
But if they've got millions of listens.

02:15:47.840 --> 02:15:48.460
Has that changed?

02:15:48.590 --> 02:15:50.980
Have they kind of worked out a payment structure that's better for people?

02:15:51.540 --> 02:15:51.760
No.

02:15:52.240 --> 02:15:52.380
No.

02:15:52.940 --> 02:15:54.680
They're getting screwed left and right.

02:15:54.770 --> 02:15:54.880
Yeah.

02:15:55.300 --> 02:16:00.860
So this is pretty unprecedented that a prog band would then do something poppy.

02:16:00.930 --> 02:16:04.340
I mean, because I can't think of any other band that's ever done that.

02:16:04.540 --> 02:16:05.160
Not pop.

02:16:06.380 --> 02:16:07.260
Soft rock.

02:16:07.560 --> 02:16:08.060
Big difference.

02:16:08.160 --> 02:16:08.160
Rock,

02:16:08.580 --> 02:16:09.120
Pop Rock.

02:16:09.940 --> 02:16:12.320
I'll even go to one runner and call it Yacht Rock,

02:16:12.520 --> 02:16:13.160
but I think, George,

02:16:13.360 --> 02:16:15.440
I detect a little sarcasm there.

02:16:15.760 --> 02:16:17.920
Well, that's just the genesis of my humor.

02:16:18.660 --> 02:16:19.380
Har Har.

02:16:19.640 --> 02:16:20.000
Yeah, well.

02:16:20.800 --> 02:16:20.980
Yeah,

02:16:21.420 --> 02:16:24.720
no other prog band became a pop band like that.

02:16:24.920 --> 02:16:25.300
Right,

02:16:25.550 --> 02:16:25.680
yeah,

02:16:25.840 --> 02:16:32.599
but those bands still had a little bit of bite to their sound. Oh, I love them, both versions.

02:16:33.059 --> 02:16:37.980
You just go listen to how much I feel, and then you come back and you tell me that that's the same as Abbott Cavern.

02:16:38.139 --> 02:16:38.920
Or Dodo.

02:16:40.040 --> 02:16:40.160
Right.

02:16:41.139 --> 02:16:43.059
At least those had a little bit of a bite, right?

02:16:43.400 --> 02:16:43.840
Point taken,

02:16:44.150 --> 02:16:44.240
yeah.

02:16:44.550 --> 02:16:44.639
Yeah.

02:16:45.120 --> 02:16:47.040
That's a pretty hard turn,

02:16:47.450 --> 02:16:47.840
for sure.

02:16:47.929 --> 02:16:48.019
Oh,

02:16:48.300 --> 02:16:48.500
yeah.

02:16:48.940 --> 02:16:49.480
It really was.

02:16:49.700 --> 02:16:50.820
You're like, what the hell?

02:16:50.920 --> 02:16:51.460
And then you realize,

02:16:51.660 --> 02:16:54.160
well, yeah, they weren't going to make any movie on those first two albums.

02:16:55.340 --> 02:16:56.719
So anyway, that's my big revelation.

02:16:57.139 --> 02:16:57.500
Interesting.

02:16:57.780 --> 02:16:57.880
Cool.

02:16:58.460 --> 02:17:02.700
Speaking of that, before we get into the rest of it, since we just talked about Genesis,

02:17:02.860 --> 02:17:05.719
I went to see the musical box,

02:17:06.740 --> 02:17:08.679
which is the Genesis tribute band.

02:17:09.480 --> 02:17:10.780
And on this particular tour,

02:17:11.420 --> 02:17:13.900
they're playing the Genesis period.

02:17:14.519 --> 02:17:16.519
They call it And Then There Was Phil tour.

02:17:16.760 --> 02:17:20.660
And so they play the stuff from 76 to 80,

02:17:21.519 --> 02:17:22.240
which is basically,

02:17:22.780 --> 02:17:23.800
you know, Wind and Wuthering,

02:17:24.000 --> 02:17:24.740
Trick of the Tale,

02:17:24.960 --> 02:17:26.280
Duke,

02:17:26.820 --> 02:17:28.679
and then there were three,

02:17:29.139 --> 02:17:29.880
which is all in there.

02:17:30.519 --> 02:17:31.800
So it was a great show.

02:17:32.320 --> 02:17:34.519
And it was cool to hear a lot of those songs again,

02:17:34.740 --> 02:17:38.500
because who are you going to hear playing Burning Rope these days?

02:17:38.719 --> 02:17:40.480
Like, it's just not going to happen.

02:17:40.960 --> 02:17:42.960
So it was it was a good show.

02:17:43.820 --> 02:17:43.940
Nice.

02:17:44.320 --> 02:17:44.400
Well,

02:17:44.599 --> 02:17:46.280
they're always good to see live.

02:17:46.440 --> 02:17:47.000
So yeah.

02:17:47.440 --> 02:17:49.260
Any other shows that might have happened at all recently?

02:17:50.160 --> 02:17:56.480
Maybe there might have been multiple shows from a band in the area.

02:17:56.900 --> 02:17:58.099
Oh, right. I heard about that.

02:17:58.639 --> 02:17:58.800
Yeah.

02:17:59.400 --> 02:18:01.760
So if you're not familiar,

02:18:02.320 --> 02:18:10.639
is this band that came back from the depths of retirement to go on tour again.

02:18:10.980 --> 02:18:14.440
And they're like cleaning up all over the place.

02:18:14.599 --> 02:18:15.639
We've talked about it already before.

02:18:15.840 --> 02:18:16.660
I'm not going to delay it anymore.

02:18:16.880 --> 02:18:20.380
Rush hit DC finally for two shows.

02:18:20.740 --> 02:18:22.120
And don't know how to spell.

02:18:23.099 --> 02:18:23.660
Yeah.

02:18:23.820 --> 02:18:23.940
Well,

02:18:24.139 --> 02:18:25.139
it's not them.

02:18:25.460 --> 02:18:26.880
That's whoever put their merch together.

02:18:27.559 --> 02:18:28.320
I'm curious.

02:18:28.840 --> 02:18:29.000
Yeah.

02:18:29.280 --> 02:18:30.320
So yeah.

02:18:31.000 --> 02:18:32.160
What was it? The poster.

02:18:32.320 --> 02:18:32.460
right?

02:18:32.639 --> 02:18:39.320
It's supposed to. The shirts are spelled right. The shirts were right. They spelled Capital One Arena with an O, not an A.

02:18:39.599 --> 02:18:39.940
Yeah.

02:18:40.120 --> 02:18:40.620
In the capital.

02:18:41.099 --> 02:18:41.580
Nice.

02:18:41.960 --> 02:18:42.440
Well,

02:18:43.019 --> 02:18:43.580
the thing is,

02:18:43.840 --> 02:18:43.920
technically,

02:18:44.240 --> 02:18:45.940
the word is still a correct word.

02:18:46.120 --> 02:18:50.160
It just refers to the capital building or the capital city,

02:18:50.580 --> 02:18:51.780
not the Capital One Arena.

02:18:52.099 --> 02:18:52.260
Right.

02:18:53.380 --> 02:18:56.260
But yeah, they played here. I bet Capital One wasn't very happy.

02:18:57.059 --> 02:18:57.860
Probably not.

02:18:58.500 --> 02:18:58.980
Yeah.

02:18:59.219 --> 02:19:02.219
Well, they're still laughing all the way to the bank because.

02:19:02.320 --> 02:19:05.179
Yeah, they get a cut of all of that. Everything that got sold,

02:19:05.500 --> 02:19:09.980
there was a cut that went to them. So they don't care if it's spelled right or not. They got their money.

02:19:10.160 --> 02:19:11.360
They're doing all right. Yeah.

02:19:11.540 --> 02:19:17.099
So Rush played DC on October 25th and 27th, so Sunday and a Tuesday.

02:19:17.389 --> 02:19:18.559
And I went to both shows.

02:19:18.800 --> 02:19:24.019
The first day, I'll do real quick, I went and I thought I was flying solo for that.

02:19:24.750 --> 02:19:31.219
And this ticket I got from the canceled show in Fort Worth. I took the money from that show and I bought a floor seat.

02:19:32.080 --> 02:19:34.440
because I needed that money to buy the floor seat.

02:19:35.320 --> 02:19:44.639
Although my floor seat wasn't actually that much, believe it or not, compared to what my seats were in Fort Worth for an individual seat, and it was significantly worse seating.

02:19:46.000 --> 02:19:49.840
But I got a message from a friend of mine, a former co-worker,

02:19:50.020 --> 02:19:53.220
and somebody that I've done a bazillion shows with in the past,

02:19:53.460 --> 02:19:54.600
my friend Joe,

02:19:55.560 --> 02:20:01.700
who George met for the first time in the night, and TR has met him a few times in the past.

02:20:01.800 --> 02:20:02.180
that shows.

02:20:03.300 --> 02:20:06.320
And I met up with him and his wife before the show.

02:20:06.490 --> 02:20:09.760
And then we went over and they were just sitting a section over for me on the floor.

02:20:10.340 --> 02:20:14.220
So I went from solo to having some people there that I knew.

02:20:14.580 --> 02:20:19.240
And so I caught them on the first night. It was the same exact show I saw in Cleveland,

02:20:19.510 --> 02:20:24.900
except they swapped two songs out that I did not see in Cleveland. So that was a positive. And I also assume they didn't say hello,

02:20:25.120 --> 02:20:25.240
Cleveland.

02:20:27.820 --> 02:20:28.260
However,

02:20:29.050 --> 02:20:31.740
they did screw up 2112 to the point where they

02:20:31.780 --> 02:20:32.420
had to stop.

02:20:33.600 --> 02:20:34.140
Getty said,

02:20:34.740 --> 02:20:35.560
somebody fucked up.

02:20:35.880 --> 02:20:37.080
And they started over again,

02:20:37.480 --> 02:20:39.480
which I've never seen them ever do.

02:20:40.160 --> 02:20:40.340
Ever.

02:20:40.780 --> 02:20:48.040
Can I just offer that that is evidence of how loose and at ease they're feeling about this thing?

02:20:48.820 --> 02:20:50.020
I think that's cool.

02:20:50.460 --> 02:20:51.300
I like that. Yeah.

02:20:51.660 --> 02:20:53.540
So the screw-ups are real.

02:20:53.780 --> 02:20:56.640
The reactions are staged, from what I understand.

02:20:56.960 --> 02:20:57.180
Meaning,

02:20:57.380 --> 02:21:01.640
there's a shtick if they do screw up and they kind of stick to it a little bit. However,

02:21:01.760 --> 02:21:08.980
This was a pretty big screw-up because what happened... I swear Alex came in too early at the beginning of 2112.

02:21:09.980 --> 02:21:15.600
But then something was wrong because he was looking over at Getty and Getty's bass was completely out of tune.

02:21:15.820 --> 02:21:16.720
The wrong bass.

02:21:17.640 --> 02:21:22.060
So he literally walked off and got a new bass and came back and then they played it after that,

02:21:22.360 --> 02:21:23.120
which was really funny,

02:21:23.340 --> 02:21:24.400
to be honest with you. I mean,

02:21:25.220 --> 02:21:26.520
I can't remember the last... I mean,

02:21:26.900 --> 02:21:28.240
there's a lot of flubs in these shows.

02:21:28.920 --> 02:21:29.660
I mean, I'm sure,

02:21:30.520 --> 02:21:30.620
George,

02:21:31.080 --> 02:21:31.740
maybe you

02:21:31.760 --> 02:21:34.060
I know you've probably seen some and they don't care.

02:21:35.400 --> 02:21:42.200
No, but I mean, it's not like it's happening left and right. I mean, it's no, no, but there's moments when you know, most of the time it's pretty subtle. I mean, you know,

02:21:42.750 --> 02:21:43.180
I mean,

02:21:43.460 --> 02:21:46.400
yeah, but there was never a mistake in the past.

02:21:47.260 --> 02:21:49.340
And if there was somebody was visibly angry.

02:21:49.760 --> 02:21:50.060
I mean, I,

02:21:50.240 --> 02:21:54.960
I mean, I saw Alex basically almost throw his guitar off stage when he broke a string once in 86.

02:21:56.100 --> 02:21:56.860
Wow. He was pissed.

02:21:57.420 --> 02:21:57.500
Yeah.

02:21:57.680 --> 02:21:58.860
Now they mess up and they're just like,

02:21:59.260 --> 02:21:59.720
oh, well.

02:22:01.760 --> 02:22:02.360
Yeah.

02:22:02.400 --> 02:22:02.880
It happens.

02:22:03.540 --> 02:22:04.620
Anyway, so it was great.

02:22:04.900 --> 02:22:12.440
You know, they're always really fun to see, but now they're even more fun to see just because they're really loose.

02:22:12.790 --> 02:22:14.000
Okay, that's the first show.

02:22:14.550 --> 02:22:17.140
Then the second show was the 27th,

02:22:17.570 --> 02:22:20.300
of which both George and TR also went.

02:22:20.860 --> 02:22:21.220
However,

02:22:21.810 --> 02:22:25.460
we ended up having quite a gathering.

02:22:25.540 --> 02:22:31.740
My friend from 40 years ago flew in,

02:22:32.460 --> 02:22:37.320
who I saw Rush with back in 1990 in Sacramento.

02:22:37.820 --> 02:22:38.880
That's a whole other story.

02:22:41.080 --> 02:22:42.120
But he flew in from Florida.

02:22:44.240 --> 02:22:45.280
My friend Joe, I mentioned before,

02:22:45.520 --> 02:22:49.220
he came, but this time with his brother, Pat, who was also at the show.

02:22:49.540 --> 02:22:50.380
Both of them were at the show,

02:22:50.660 --> 02:22:50.860
obviously,

02:22:51.060 --> 02:22:53.140
on Sunday,

02:22:53.360 --> 02:22:54.860
but I didn't see Pat. So we got that.

02:22:54.880 --> 02:22:55.960
So there's one,

02:22:56.140 --> 02:22:56.240
two,

02:22:56.840 --> 02:22:58.080
then my friend Rich, me,

02:22:58.360 --> 02:23:02.460
that's four, then George and TR, it's five. And then another friend of ours,

02:23:02.860 --> 02:23:04.660
TR and I know, this guy Jeff,

02:23:05.000 --> 02:23:10.320
we've known for years from Porcupine Tree. He has a YouTube channel, Gas Mass and Hang Grenades.

02:23:10.900 --> 02:23:12.520
He was there, he's dropped in.

02:23:12.700 --> 02:23:17.360
And so we saw him pre-show and then TR and I saw him and his friends afterwards post-show. Anyway,

02:23:18.080 --> 02:23:19.820
we had like a little rush gathering,

02:23:20.060 --> 02:23:21.980
which has been a long time since I've done that.

02:23:22.400 --> 02:23:24.500
And I realized sitting at the table,

02:23:24.900 --> 02:23:28.060
I had done multiple shows with people at the table,

02:23:28.440 --> 02:23:28.920
minus George,

02:23:29.220 --> 02:23:30.880
because George broke his Rush Cherry.

02:23:31.040 --> 02:23:32.160
I was a Rush Virgin.

02:23:32.540 --> 02:23:33.540
He was a Rush Virgin.

02:23:33.960 --> 02:23:37.840
But everybody else at the table, I had done multiple shows with at some point, somewhere.

02:23:39.280 --> 02:23:40.540
Or at minimum, one.

02:23:41.080 --> 02:23:42.900
So anyway, it was great.

02:23:43.140 --> 02:23:45.380
And we got the set that I was hoping we'd get,

02:23:45.620 --> 02:23:54.100
which I think I saw nine or ten different songs from the previous night in that set. So I've seen everything except four songs.

02:23:54.160 --> 02:23:55.340
So I almost caught up to TR.

02:23:57.080 --> 02:23:58.600
Which is pretty good considering,

02:23:58.840 --> 02:23:59.100
you know.

02:23:59.500 --> 02:24:00.240
I had a double,

02:24:00.400 --> 02:24:01.280
I had the same show twice,

02:24:01.640 --> 02:24:01.920
yeah. Yeah,

02:24:02.260 --> 02:24:02.320
well,

02:24:02.700 --> 02:24:03.280
yeah, but I mean,

02:24:03.900 --> 02:24:05.100
considering what you saw,

02:24:05.720 --> 02:24:06.320
let's see, Cleveland,

02:24:07.540 --> 02:24:07.700
well,

02:24:07.880 --> 02:24:09.660
Cleveland and the two DC shows, right? Right,

02:24:09.860 --> 02:24:11.060
because the Fort Worth was canceled,

02:24:11.360 --> 02:24:13.600
so. Yeah, so you did pretty good for three shows,

02:24:13.860 --> 02:24:15.200
you, you, you know,

02:24:15.360 --> 02:24:16.520
that's pretty good.

02:24:16.940 --> 02:24:17.820
You got almost everything,

02:24:18.080 --> 02:24:18.200
really.

02:24:18.380 --> 02:24:18.700
Really,

02:24:18.860 --> 02:24:21.480
two shows when you consider that. Well, yeah, it's about the same,

02:24:21.740 --> 02:24:24.000
right? It was the same for just, except for two songs.

02:24:24.160 --> 02:24:26.940
And I saw every song at one show.

02:24:28.920 --> 02:24:29.360
Close.

02:24:30.800 --> 02:24:32.800
Every single one of them they played, I was there.

02:24:33.180 --> 02:24:35.740
That makes it sound like he saw more than you guys.

02:24:35.940 --> 02:24:37.760
I don't know why that set was worth it.

02:24:38.260 --> 02:24:38.700
No,

02:24:38.920 --> 02:24:42.480
but the second show in DC was the best set list of the three for me,

02:24:42.640 --> 02:24:45.420
at least, because they played a song I'd never seen before.

02:24:45.820 --> 02:24:48.940
I waited 40 years to hear them play A Farewell to Kings,

02:24:49.140 --> 02:24:52.820
which, by the way, they hadn't played for 50 years almost.

02:24:53.780 --> 02:25:02.120
So that was the highlight of the night. Oh, and New World Man 2, because I had not seen that since 1986.

02:25:03.640 --> 02:25:04.380
So yeah,

02:25:04.530 --> 02:25:05.980
because they've only played in one tour.

02:25:07.020 --> 02:25:07.740
And yet I've seen it.

02:25:08.560 --> 02:25:09.560
You saw it once,

02:25:09.740 --> 02:25:10.220
I've seen it twice.

02:25:11.800 --> 02:25:12.240
Somehow.

02:25:12.800 --> 02:25:14.560
But you're still behind.

02:25:14.940 --> 02:25:15.740
Yeah, that's nothing.

02:25:16.120 --> 02:25:16.560
Yeah.

02:25:17.260 --> 02:25:18.260
I've seen that one.

02:25:18.440 --> 02:25:18.720
What?

02:25:18.900 --> 02:25:19.260
What?

02:25:19.420 --> 02:25:21.640
They've played that every time I've seen them, man.

02:25:21.960 --> 02:25:22.400
Exactly.

02:25:23.000 --> 02:25:23.440
Exactly.

02:25:23.800 --> 02:25:24.420
Yeah,

02:25:25.900 --> 02:25:27.260
you're still 19 shows behind,

02:25:27.560 --> 02:25:27.680
so.

02:25:29.280 --> 02:25:29.680
Anyway,

02:25:29.840 --> 02:25:30.400
no, it was fun.

02:25:30.780 --> 02:25:31.960
It was a great time. It was a good time.

02:25:32.360 --> 02:25:33.760
Yeah, definitely good times.

02:25:34.440 --> 02:25:40.400
I was drooling over all of Alex's Gibsons.

02:25:41.320 --> 02:25:44.420
Yeah. I was like, he had like a Gibson for every song, man. He had,

02:25:45.560 --> 02:25:45.840
you know.

02:25:46.160 --> 02:25:48.460
And then he walked away for Gibson for a long time, George,

02:25:48.700 --> 02:25:50.520
so it's cool that he's playing him again. Yeah.

02:25:50.680 --> 02:25:53.160
He had like some kind of thing up his butt about him. A tiff.

02:25:53.180 --> 02:25:53.420
Well,

02:25:53.760 --> 02:26:02.660
he went to PRS at some point and was exclusively playing them, which I believe he does still pull it out. He had one PRS that I was like, okay,

02:26:02.840 --> 02:26:02.920
well,

02:26:03.080 --> 02:26:04.720
all these Gibsons and he pulls out a PRS.

02:26:05.200 --> 02:26:11.780
I've been meaning to try a PRS and I have never played one, so I really want to do that now. Don't wait your time. But he,

02:26:11.960 --> 02:26:13.100
you know, he played an SG.

02:26:13.280 --> 02:26:14.140
Lights is too expensive?

02:26:14.440 --> 02:26:14.760
No.

02:26:15.080 --> 02:26:16.440
No. Gibsons are too expensive, too.

02:26:16.760 --> 02:26:19.400
I've owned two and they both had no life.

02:26:19.760 --> 02:26:23.100
They were soulless and you cannot, you can throw it off of a building and still,

02:26:23.160 --> 02:26:24.380
going to look exactly the same.

02:26:24.780 --> 02:26:26.220
There's something about him I don't like.

02:26:26.880 --> 02:26:32.540
That's wild because Mike from Opeth uses him and he gets every ounce of emotion out of him.

02:26:32.700 --> 02:26:33.660
And I know he does.

02:26:33.970 --> 02:26:34.120
Yeah.

02:26:34.600 --> 02:26:35.340
That's wild.

02:26:35.520 --> 02:26:39.760
You know, color me like bemused. I don't know how he does it. But also,

02:26:39.920 --> 02:26:40.020
George,

02:26:40.240 --> 02:26:44.620
there is a Alex Lifeson Gibson signature model.

02:26:45.660 --> 02:26:49.500
Yeah. Which they were kind enough to even include, I think, a Floyd Rose on or something,

02:26:49.960 --> 02:26:50.100
strangely.

02:26:50.600 --> 02:26:50.660
Yeah.

02:26:50.940 --> 02:26:52.260
Like I said, he played an SG.

02:26:52.430 --> 02:26:53.120
He played a double.

02:26:54.220 --> 02:26:59.040
He played a million different Les Pauls. He played two different,

02:26:59.320 --> 02:27:02.180
I don't know if it was a 335 or a 355. He played the white one,

02:27:02.550 --> 02:27:03.580
and then he played a gold one.

02:27:04.240 --> 02:27:06.820
Which I've never seen the gold one before until this tour.

02:27:07.080 --> 02:27:09.660
And he even played an Explorer.

02:27:10.420 --> 02:27:10.860
Yeah,

02:27:11.080 --> 02:27:11.960
that was cool.

02:27:12.180 --> 02:27:15.160
Wow, that seems out of place. I mean, you know, he's not a flashy.

02:27:15.940 --> 02:27:17.440
The white one's a 335.

02:27:17.630 --> 02:27:19.560
I wouldn't know about the gold one, but. Yeah,

02:27:19.810 --> 02:27:21.600
and then a random telly.

02:27:22.500 --> 02:27:22.940
Cool.

02:27:23.160 --> 02:27:53.140
I was like what it was on yeah what was that it was new world man is yeah yeah yeah he played that's what he played it on uh I think when they toured originally he that's what he had for it yeah and and not to be outdone Getty has a bazillion bases on stage too that's right so uh real quick they are doing gag or Annika is doing gags their drummer she does it at the very end of working man and

02:27:53.160 --> 02:27:56.740
I think we got the best gag on the first night of the show.

02:27:56.980 --> 02:28:04.040
So they do this thing where they have cameras on her rig set up. And so Geddy and Alex actually,

02:28:04.380 --> 02:28:06.520
I've never seen them turn their back that much to the crowd before,

02:28:06.740 --> 02:28:08.680
but they face her,

02:28:09.300 --> 02:28:21.000
but then the camera picks them up. And so you can see it on the big screens and they have a massive big screen going on. So it's almost like they're still looking at you, but through the cameras on her riser.

02:28:23.399 --> 02:28:27.540
And so they do this thing where they walk together at the end during the final song.

02:28:27.860 --> 02:28:31.040
And they kind of stare at each other and they start to slow down and slow down.

02:28:31.740 --> 02:28:34.680
And they stop and they look back at her and she always does a gag.

02:28:35.680 --> 02:28:35.860
Something.

02:28:36.080 --> 02:28:37.820
Which, by the way, you can find them easy.

02:28:38.060 --> 02:28:38.460
Right.

02:28:38.680 --> 02:28:40.180
Somebody even has compiled them.

02:28:40.440 --> 02:28:40.700
Yeah.

02:28:40.860 --> 02:28:41.040
Oh,

02:28:41.220 --> 02:28:41.700
wow. Okay.

02:28:41.960 --> 02:28:46.120
So the gag for the first night in D.C., she actually got one of Alex's guitars.

02:28:46.300 --> 02:28:47.040
It was live.

02:28:47.780 --> 02:28:51.320
And they were doing their whole, you know, at the end where it's like, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.

02:28:51.960 --> 02:28:55.300
and everyone's just playing a thousand notes at one minute. It doesn't sound like anything.

02:28:55.770 --> 02:29:06.700
And they stop and it's all of a sudden you see that Alex is like, what is that weird noise coming out? He didn't know what was happening. And he looked up and he stopped playing. He saw her playing one of his guitars and both he and Getty just burst out laughing.

02:29:07.540 --> 02:29:14.600
She sits down back on her drum seat with the guitar still live on her to play the last note on drums with them.

02:29:14.940 --> 02:29:16.280
So it was pretty cool.

02:29:16.510 --> 02:29:17.360
I mean, I've seen that.

02:29:17.520 --> 02:29:21.940
And that was why they show up like if you're on Instagram or something, everybody wants to ask me, be like, hey, here's what I'm going to do.

02:29:21.980 --> 02:29:24.340
what she did last night. I saw that one just recently.

02:29:24.600 --> 02:29:24.880
Yeah.

02:29:25.480 --> 02:29:25.540
So,

02:29:25.800 --> 02:29:28.740
and she did like a Groucho Marx, I think at our second show, didn't she?

02:29:28.900 --> 02:29:29.040
Yeah.

02:29:29.280 --> 02:29:29.380
Yeah.

02:29:29.660 --> 02:29:33.360
The little glasses and big nose with this.

02:29:33.800 --> 02:29:36.700
Yeah. With the, you know, the mustache and the thing. And,

02:29:37.220 --> 02:29:39.080
but then she pointed at Getty when she did it,

02:29:39.260 --> 02:29:40.080
which was really funny.

02:29:42.640 --> 02:29:45.460
As a fellow owner of a big nose, I appreciate that.

02:29:45.900 --> 02:29:46.020
Yeah.

02:29:46.220 --> 02:29:47.500
I really loved the, uh,

02:29:47.960 --> 02:29:49.280
the movie at the beginning.

02:29:49.580 --> 02:29:51.900
And I'm curious because it was around Halloween.

02:29:52.000 --> 02:29:52.580
And it was,

02:29:53.040 --> 02:29:55.660
is it the same thing that they played like in Mexico?

02:29:56.220 --> 02:29:56.920
Every night.

02:29:57.140 --> 02:29:58.140
Yeah. Every night. Okay.

02:29:58.640 --> 02:29:58.780
Yeah.

02:29:59.060 --> 02:30:10.260
That was pretty darn amusing with all the cameos in there from Paul Rudd and Jason Segel and the South Park fellas.

02:30:10.740 --> 02:30:14.040
Well, yeah, they had a new skit for that.

02:30:14.360 --> 02:30:15.820
That was, they hadn't done that before.

02:30:16.040 --> 02:30:16.220
So.

02:30:16.480 --> 02:30:16.580
Yeah.

02:30:16.760 --> 02:30:18.300
Yeah. That was pretty funny.

02:30:18.540 --> 02:30:19.520
Pretty entertaining.

02:30:21.020 --> 02:30:21.080
Yeah.

02:30:21.380 --> 02:30:21.800
You know,

02:30:21.920 --> 02:30:23.680
Oh, and they're goofing around on stage,

02:30:24.640 --> 02:30:28.860
which is... I loved Alex's come-out-and-pose thing.

02:30:29.700 --> 02:30:30.100
Yeah.

02:30:30.780 --> 02:30:36.620
He comes out to front of center stage and strikes a rock star pose.

02:30:37.780 --> 02:30:38.340
I mean,

02:30:38.540 --> 02:30:40.980
it's bizarre to see them, for one.

02:30:41.140 --> 02:30:44.400
It's even more bizarre to see Alex singing as much as he does now.

02:30:44.820 --> 02:30:45.260
Yeah.

02:30:45.480 --> 02:30:49.860
Which is... It's funny, what he used to sing on before, he doesn't sing on anymore.

02:30:50.220 --> 02:30:51.660
The guy Lauren Gold does those parts.

02:30:51.700 --> 02:30:54.780
So he's singing other parts now, which is really kind of wild.

02:30:55.740 --> 02:30:55.920
But anyway,

02:30:56.180 --> 02:30:56.300
yeah.

02:30:56.540 --> 02:31:02.640
So we had a little rush gathering and we had fun beforehand at some divey Irish bar,

02:31:02.800 --> 02:31:03.780
which was only two blocks away.

02:31:05.180 --> 02:31:06.060
And it worked out.

02:31:06.360 --> 02:31:09.380
And it was just nothing but a bunch of rush nerds in there hanging out.

02:31:09.760 --> 02:31:10.160
Yeah,

02:31:10.520 --> 02:31:11.760
that was perfect.

02:31:12.060 --> 02:31:14.060
So I don't know if you guys want to add anything,

02:31:14.280 --> 02:31:17.300
but we did our little rush con beforehand.

02:31:17.720 --> 02:31:18.060
Yeah,

02:31:18.440 --> 02:31:20.460
no, it was really good. And it was fun to see people,

02:31:20.780 --> 02:31:21.680
some of which I've

02:31:21.720 --> 02:31:23.140
I hadn't seen in a long time.

02:31:24.720 --> 02:31:28.120
And it was great to meet Joe's brother, Pat, which I had not met before.

02:31:29.340 --> 02:31:30.680
And so we had a,

02:31:30.880 --> 02:31:37.520
yeah, it was a very good time to catch up with old friends and talk about Rush and whatever else.

02:31:37.780 --> 02:31:38.040
Like we,

02:31:38.220 --> 02:31:39.560
it was,

02:31:39.940 --> 02:31:40.260
you know,

02:31:40.640 --> 02:31:42.300
just what you'd expect with a,

02:31:42.540 --> 02:31:43.440
you know, Rush gathering.

02:31:43.660 --> 02:31:44.380
So that was fun.

02:31:44.840 --> 02:31:45.000
Right.

02:31:45.460 --> 02:31:45.920
Oh, you know what?

02:31:46.000 --> 02:31:46.300
Actually,

02:31:46.560 --> 02:31:48.500
and I know, TR, I think you, you may have too.

02:31:49.060 --> 02:31:50.100
I met another friend,

02:31:50.280 --> 02:31:50.940
another coworker.

02:31:51.100 --> 02:31:52.420
He was with his wife there,

02:31:52.810 --> 02:31:55.660
but I met him up at the seats, my co-worker named Mike,

02:31:55.880 --> 02:31:58.280
who I'd gone to a Rush show with before.

02:31:59.800 --> 02:32:06.800
But I can't remember if you were there at that one tier. It was at First Mariner in Baltimore a while back.

02:32:07.540 --> 02:32:07.900
Okay.

02:32:09.400 --> 02:32:10.320
A Rush show?

02:32:10.480 --> 02:32:13.620
Yeah, which is really weird to see a Rush show at the arena in Baltimore.

02:32:13.800 --> 02:32:14.080
Oh, yeah.

02:32:15.220 --> 02:32:15.580
Well,

02:32:16.710 --> 02:32:20.540
the one I recall seeing there, I don't know that you guys were there,

02:32:20.690 --> 02:32:21.060
so I'm not sure.

02:32:21.899 --> 02:32:29.420
I was at one of them there because I distinctly remember the drive home because there needed to be an emergency stop.

02:32:29.690 --> 02:32:29.820
So,

02:32:30.850 --> 02:32:30.960
okay.

02:32:31.880 --> 02:32:31.960
Yeah.

02:32:32.360 --> 02:32:33.660
Somebody wasn't going to make it. Well,

02:32:33.840 --> 02:32:34.580
yeah. And I actually,

02:32:34.780 --> 02:32:37.880
I also saw some people I knew after we took to the seats.

02:32:38.240 --> 02:32:44.020
I saw a couple of buddies of mine from my old workplace a long, long time ago. So that was a lot of fun.

02:32:44.800 --> 02:32:46.520
And then another buddy of mine,

02:32:47.320 --> 02:32:47.840
Mike Biggerman,

02:32:48.080 --> 02:32:50.960
who does our rock trivia at our,

02:32:51.080 --> 02:32:52.640
local brewery.

02:32:53.300 --> 02:32:55.980
And so he and his wife attended.

02:32:56.260 --> 02:32:58.700
And I didn't see him up close,

02:32:58.880 --> 02:33:00.040
but I found him in the audience.

02:33:00.320 --> 02:33:03.280
Because he was pretty much on the first row of one of the sections.

02:33:03.480 --> 02:33:05.040
So I could see him from where I was sitting.

02:33:05.180 --> 02:33:06.260
And I was texting him.

02:33:07.319 --> 02:33:08.360
So we had a good time.

02:33:08.380 --> 02:33:08.820
It was fun.

02:33:09.460 --> 02:33:10.740
Oh, one last thing I'll say.

02:33:11.040 --> 02:33:12.800
And George, I don't want to cut you off if you want to say anything.

02:33:12.820 --> 02:33:13.600
I don't want to forget this.

02:33:13.780 --> 02:33:14.180
No, I'm good.

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The night that I was there on the floor,

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I sat down.

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And as I'm sitting down,

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this woman says to me,

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oh my God,

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you know who boards of Canada are?

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Because I was wearing my boards of Canada shirt.

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And I said, I think the question is, do you know who boards of Canada are?

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Clearly she did,

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right?

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Well,

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her husband likes them.

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And so she started,

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because she was with her parents.

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And so,

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yeah, we discussed boards of Canada. I can't tell you how many people stopped me on the street,

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no matter, or in hotels or buildings.

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What is boards of Canada?

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What is that?

02:33:48.960 --> 02:33:51.720
And I even got stopped at Falling Water in Pennsylvania,

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the Frank Lloyd Wright designed house.

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I got stopped by two people there.

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So,

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wow.

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Yeah.

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Anyway,

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George,

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I didn't want to cut you off there. If you had anything to add about your first Rush experience.

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Gosh,

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I mean, it was just a really good show.

02:34:07.660 --> 02:34:08.060
You know,

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at my advanced age,

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I'm frequently finding myself at the end of shows going, come on,

02:34:14.440 --> 02:34:16.420
hurry up. I want to go home. I want to go to bed.

02:34:17.320 --> 02:34:17.480
And,

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you know,

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And despite the fact that they played probably one of the longest sets I've ever seen from anyone.

02:34:23.800 --> 02:34:24.200
Because,

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you know, they did an intermission.

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And so it was probably like around three hours. And most shows I've seen there,

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they tap out at two,

02:34:30.540 --> 02:34:31.000
two and a half.

02:34:32.780 --> 02:34:33.180
So,

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you know,

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no boredom there.

02:34:36.100 --> 02:34:37.300
It was pretty awesome.

02:34:38.420 --> 02:34:43.700
It was really nice to finally see them. It was nice to be able to sit there and just nerd out over Alex.

02:34:45.520 --> 02:34:47.660
I didn't nerd out over Getty at all.

02:34:47.740 --> 02:34:48.000
Yeah,

02:34:48.240 --> 02:34:50.940
it was really cool to see Geddy, too.

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And Annika,

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she definitely brought it.

02:34:56.400 --> 02:34:56.800
Yeah.

02:34:57.200 --> 02:34:57.540
You know,

02:34:58.720 --> 02:34:58.960
so,

02:35:00.180 --> 02:35:00.620
yeah, it was great.

02:35:01.740 --> 02:35:02.140
Awesome.

02:35:03.420 --> 02:35:05.940
Jay, I don't know if you'll get a chance to see them when they play Glendale,

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but if you made your way up there and somehow found a ticket,

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you will not be disappointed.

02:35:12.180 --> 02:35:13.880
So I got a ticket. My buddy got his tickets.

02:35:14.340 --> 02:35:15.040
Oh, that's all good.

02:35:16.600 --> 02:35:17.000
Very cool.

02:35:17.760 --> 02:35:47.720
I guess what two nights yeah we're just one-to-one but do you know which night you're going to first or second um he has the tickets and I don't remember which what he said yeah yeah because the set lists will be different between the nights right right yeah cool awesome well that's your uh episode section rush section of the episode so yeah oh by the way just as an offshoot um talking about reunions I think

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Rather Classy Reunions,

02:35:49.240 --> 02:35:50.640
but having to pull in some outside musicians,

02:35:51.520 --> 02:35:54.380
Triumph had to cancel the second leg of their whole thing.

02:35:54.560 --> 02:35:57.100
So for medical reasons, I don't know what happened.

02:35:58.380 --> 02:35:58.780
Yeah,

02:35:59.140 --> 02:36:02.840
and that directly impacted me because I had tickets to that show in Baltimore,

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and I'm just super bummed because I was really looking forward to seeing them again.

02:36:08.580 --> 02:36:08.720
Thankfully,

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I got to see them earlier this year,

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but it was such a good concert that I wanted to see them again.

02:36:14.740 --> 02:36:17.380
See, that's why I bailed, because I just figured they'd cancel.

02:36:20.460 --> 02:36:20.780
Yeah,

02:36:21.220 --> 02:36:21.280
right.

02:36:23.460 --> 02:36:23.820
You know, actually,

02:36:24.420 --> 02:36:25.140
one other thing, too,

02:36:25.320 --> 02:36:28.160
just because it just suddenly entered my mind, but it's worth mentioning,

02:36:28.540 --> 02:36:29.380
and I don't know where it is,

02:36:29.560 --> 02:36:31.460
but it shouldn't be hard to find,

02:36:32.300 --> 02:36:36.780
but they just re-released some record of Billy Squire's that was never on vinyl before.

02:36:37.800 --> 02:36:39.320
Beside the point. Don't worry about the record.

02:36:39.800 --> 02:36:42.360
But he did an interview for it, and it was the most thoughtful interview,

02:36:42.560 --> 02:36:44.020
and I thought, boy, I sure like Billy Squire.

02:36:44.080 --> 02:36:45.700
He just comes across as so thoughtful,

02:36:45.920 --> 02:36:46.440
so smart.

02:36:46.960 --> 02:36:48.460
Why do I feel like I just saw this?

02:36:48.660 --> 02:36:52.560
It's there are clips of it showing up on Instagram or wherever you're jumping around.

02:36:53.580 --> 02:36:53.940
He's great.

02:36:54.380 --> 02:36:56.440
He's got the long his hair is maybe shoulder length.

02:36:56.940 --> 02:36:58.420
Great. I think I just saw some of that.

02:36:58.800 --> 02:36:58.940
Yeah.

02:36:59.140 --> 02:37:04.600
Some woman is interviewing him, but there's lots of cool stories he tells about Zeppelin and stuff like that.

02:37:04.800 --> 02:37:06.300
That's what that's what I saw.

02:37:07.120 --> 02:37:07.560
Yeah.

02:37:08.770 --> 02:37:16.140
Did he did he talk about how the record label ruined his career after his third album by making him do that stupid video for that song?

02:37:16.440 --> 02:37:16.840
It didn't.

02:37:16.960 --> 02:37:17.100
No,

02:37:17.430 --> 02:37:17.740
he didn't,

02:37:17.920 --> 02:37:20.620
but he... You should watch it.

02:37:21.380 --> 02:37:22.860
I'm a fan. I like Don't Say No.

02:37:23.140 --> 02:37:23.460
Oh,

02:37:23.640 --> 02:37:24.340
Don't Say No is awesome.

02:37:24.560 --> 02:37:24.920
I love it.

02:37:25.940 --> 02:37:35.400
But it's just nice to see somebody who's kind of been out of the radar for a while in this really cool interview with him. I was glad to see. Oh, his first three are... Especially Don't Say No are great,

02:37:35.680 --> 02:37:42.600
but yeah, I watched that. I saw that video again. I don't know why. I was like, oh my God, why did they make him do this?

02:37:43.320 --> 02:37:45.100
Totally destroyed his career. Oh, it hit me wrong,

02:37:45.290 --> 02:37:46.940
and I was...

02:37:47.000 --> 02:37:47.660
13 or something.

02:37:48.460 --> 02:37:51.440
I mean, I was crazy about don't say no. And then that came out. I was like, come on.

02:37:51.600 --> 02:37:59.560
And then what emotions in motion was next, which was good. Not as good as don't say no, but it was good. And then they killed him anyway.

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All right. Well,

02:38:03.200 --> 02:38:05.740
I guess that's it for this episode.

02:38:07.800 --> 02:38:07.880
Yep.

02:38:10.620 --> 02:38:12.400
Until next time. Until next time.

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Take it easy.

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All right.

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Bye.

02:38:15.700 --> 02:38:15.880
Bye.

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Peace out.